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  • #16
    Re: Tub/shower remodel questions

    Makes me wonder about some of the people/plumbers on this forum. I have done several projects which have involved cutting and sweating copper pipes where I was able to cut and work on the pipes without clearance issues a and drains where I was able to test with running water before closing the wall up. Now I have a couple of specific situations and all of a sudden apparently I know nothing about plumbing. Of course I can still get the job done - for example I can cut the pipe under the floor where there are no clearance issues if necessary.

    I used to recommend this forum to people as a good place for plumbing discussions. Won't be doing so any more.

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    • #17
      Re: Tub/shower remodel questions

      here i am

      for those that haven't followed blue can,, he has done better, cleaner work than lots of so called plumbers and contractors i've come across.

      if he post some pictures or links to his past projects, i'm sure you would agree.

      as far as cutting close to the wall, a simple "tiny tim" hacksaw will do a fine job. a sawzall with a 24tpi will also work as long as you don't shake that copper to death.

      as far as testing, you want to perform an overnight shower pan test if you are hot mopping or going with a liner. the copper is also tested by capping off the outlets/ heads and turning on the water. but i would first flush out the air and let the water get hot to help wash out the flux. the waste on a simple basic job like this is typically just a flow test. i doubt you want to fill the line with a 10' head of water or a 5 psi air test and typically it's not required on a simple couple of joints.

      too bad i was just at legoland last week and was probably 20 minutes away.

      remember that this is an open forum for pros and homeowners, helping is not a requirement, but it shouldn't be frowned upon.

      rick.
      phoebe it is

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      • #18
        Re: Tub/shower remodel questions

        Thanks Rick - in return I should point out that Rick is one of the most knowledgeable and professional plumbers on this forum based on his posts over the years. If I were hiring a plumber it would be him. You should stop by one day when you are next down in SD to say hello.

        As far as the drain question - yes I would do the testing you pointed out but I also want to run a basic test before installing a shower pan/tub so that if leaks show up I don't have to start uninstalling things. I was thinking of using a hose and running water down it but I'm not sure how to connect a garden hose indoors. From what you say it seems like it's not common to test the drain before installing the pan/tub but it's test I would like to do to make sure.

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        • #19
          Re: Tub/shower remodel questions

          a simple hose bibb or 1/2'' hose adapter attached to the shower arm will allow you to fill a waste line if need be. so will dragging a hose through the window with an on off nozzle.

          depending on the access you have below the trap, you might be able to cut in a wye, test tee for a double test plug or weenie to be inserted. even a no hub band with a layer of plastic drop cloth banded into it will hold a test. then you could just snake a hole into it with a fish tape to drain it and then remove the band t pull the plastic and reband it.

          typically a flow test is all that's required on a simple job like yours. but you could do 1 of the above suggestions to really give you assurance that it's tight.

          a permit is required out here including an inspection for the shower pan and test, not to mention the waste, water, valve, minimum size, threshold height etc,.

          rick.
          phoebe it is

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          • #20
            Re: Tub/shower remodel questions

            Originally posted by blue_can View Post
            Makes me wonder about some of the people/plumbers on this forum. I have done several projects which have involved cutting and sweating copper pipes where I was able to cut and work on the pipes without clearance issues a and drains where I was able to test with running water before closing the wall up. Now I have a couple of specific situations and all of a sudden apparently I know nothing about plumbing. Of course I can still get the job done - for example I can cut the pipe under the floor where there are no clearance issues if necessary.

            I used to recommend this forum to people as a good place for plumbing discussions. Won't be doing so any more.
            Get off your high horse. People were/are trying to help you. There is a point where in good conscience we should tell you to get a plumber....if only to save you money. Would you offer up your expertise to someone wanting to engineer something for their family or business. You did get sound advise. If you can't figure out a hacksaw is needed for cutting that pipe....come on. That's like me asking an architect, what's CAD or what's a square to a framer.

            I don't mean to be rude but your post sounds like a four year old girl wrote it.
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            • #21
              Re: Tub/shower remodel questions

              Originally posted by PLUMBER RICK View Post
              here i am

              as far as cutting close to the wall, a simple "tiny tim" hacksaw will do a fine job. a sawzall with a 24tpi will also work as long as you don't shake that copper to death.

              as far as testing, you want to perform an overnight shower pan test if you are hot mopping or going with a liner. the copper is also tested by capping off the outlets/ heads and turning on the water. but i would first flush out the air and let the water get hot to help wash out the flux. the waste on a simple basic job like this is typically just a flow test. i doubt you want to fill the line with a 10' head of water or a 5 psi air test and typically it's not required on a simple couple of joints.

              too bad i was just at legoland last week and was probably 20 minutes away.

              remember that this is an open forum for pros and homeowners, helping is not a requirement, but it shouldn't be frowned upon.

              rick.
              Sorry I was in a rush this morning and did not get a chance to go through your post in detail. Yes I did consider a 24TPI on a sawzall but was concerned about the vibration. So my concern was getting a good, clean cut. I could try the close quarters hacksaw or cut elsewhere.

              I was not planning to pressure test the drain but simply do a flow test before installing anything over it.

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              • #22
                Re: Tub/shower remodel questions

                Originally posted by PLUMBER RICK View Post
                a simple hose bibb or 1/2'' hose adapter attached to the shower arm will allow you to fill a waste line if need be. so will dragging a hose through the window with an on off nozzle.

                depending on the access you have below the trap, you might be able to cut in a wye, test tee for a double test plug or weenie to be inserted. even a no hub band with a layer of plastic drop cloth banded into it will hold a test. then you could just snake a hole into it with a fish tape to drain it and then remove the band t pull the plastic and reband it.

                typically a flow test is all that's required on a simple job like yours. but you could do 1 of the above suggestions to really give you assurance that it's tight.

                a permit is required out here including an inspection for the shower pan and test, not to mention the waste, water, valve, minimum size, threshold height etc,.

                rick.
                I have good access to the drain after the trap and into where it enters the rest of the drain system. It should be possible to cut and insert a test fitting. Probably not worth it as you say and the flow test should be sufficient.

                What's a weenie?

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                • #23
                  Re: Tub/shower remodel questions

                  Originally posted by Gettinit View Post
                  Get off your high horse. People were/are trying to help you. There is a point where in good conscience we should tell you to get a plumber....if only to save you money. Would you offer up your expertise to someone wanting to engineer something for their family or business. You did get sound advise. If you can't figure out a hacksaw is needed for cutting that pipe....come on. That's like me asking an architect, what's CAD or what's a square to a framer.

                  I don't mean to be rude but your post sounds like a four year old girl wrote it.
                  I also don't mean to be rude but I'm sure people can read your post and mine and figure out who's sounds like a 4 year old's. I cannot draw a parallel to what you do since I never deal with the public and given the specialist nature of what I do so I cannot answer that question.

                  While I can understand plumbers trying to persuade consumers to hire plumbers who do this for a living one mention of it is reasonable but let's not go on about it and talking to people like they don't have a clue what they are doing.

                  My general comment about this forum was not based on this thread but a few others that I clicked on and saw. I understand there are other plumbing forums which are more geared to the "hire a pro" crowd and people like me would not be welcome there but it may be a good place for some of you on here.

                  Let's try and keep this thread to the point going forward - if you want to debate the question about hiring pros you can start another thread or take it to the "open discussion" section.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Tub/shower remodel questions

                    Originally posted by blue_can View Post
                    I also don't mean to be rude but I'm sure people can read your post and mine and figure out who's sounds like a 4 year old's. I cannot draw a parallel to what you do since I never deal with the public and given the specialist nature of what I do so I cannot answer that question.

                    While I can understand plumbers trying to persuade consumers to hire plumbers who do this for a living one mention of it is reasonable but let's not go on about it and talking to people like they don't have a clue what they are doing.

                    My general comment about this forum was not based on this thread but a few others that I clicked on and saw. I understand there are other plumbing forums which are more geared to the "hire a pro" crowd and people like me would not be welcome there but it may be a good place for some of you on here.

                    Let's try and keep this thread to the point going forward - if you want to debate the question about hiring pros you can start another thread or take it to the "open discussion" section.
                    You still don't get it....

                    Anyways, a weenie to him is probably what they call a donkey d1<k here, a rubber bag that you blow up with air to a predetermined pressure to seal the water in a section of pipe to be tested.
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                    • drain cleaning
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                    • #25
                      Re: Tub/shower remodel questions

                      Originally posted by Gettinit View Post
                      You still don't get it....

                      Anyways, a weenie to him is probably what they call a donkey d1<k here, a rubber bag that you blow up with air to a predetermined pressure to seal the water in a section of pipe to be tested.
                      The one I just bought said "TEST BALL". Go figure.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Tub/shower remodel questions

                        The test balls are short. The others are long and usually made special for tub drains.

                        Come to think about it.....test cock (just the tip), ball cock....LMAO
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                        • leak detection
                        • drain cleaning
                        • utility locating
                        • conductor fault locating
                        • and other specialties.

                        Greensboro NC, Winston-Salem NC, High Point NC, Thomasville NC, Kernersville NC

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                        • #27
                          Re: Tub/shower remodel questions

                          Ha Ha - okay thanks.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Tub/shower remodel questions

                            Originally posted by Big Jim View Post
                            You should take plumbus' advice and hire a pro.
                            More problems will arise and more mistakes will be made.
                            You will save money and headaches in the long run.
                            The questions you are asking are of the most basic in nature
                            and prove that you may be in over your head.
                            Most of don't mind giving advice, but remember that we make
                            our living doing what you are attempting to do.
                            There is a reason why licenses and permits are required in our trade.
                            The problem is that popular culture and big retail have convinced
                            the general public that anyone can do plumbing, (or electrical, or HVAC,
                            or any other skill involving years of training and experience).
                            I love what you said Big Jim and agree 1000 percent. That damn Home Depot has got these DIY's believeing to much. This guy should definetly hire a pro, based on his questions. You can always tell when someone is over there heads by the questions they ask. And he is asking basic questions which tells me that your going to have some serious problems. Hey Blue Can, listen to these guys stop being cheap and hire a professional you will save more money and time.
                            Wise man said "Hot on the left, cold on the right,
                            crap flows downhill, and checks come on Friday"

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