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  • Floor drain back-up. Snake did not clear.

    My floor drain is backing-up. Cleaned the main-line out and all good. Happened again, this time much clean water. snaked out 100' feet of line, nothing. Finally plunged the floor drain and woosh. Now, again happening with sewage. Snaked again several times with no success.

    Mind you, I had a new toilet put in the basement where one didn't exist previously. And, the toilet won't hold water in the bowl. So, I plugged the floor drain. Now, the toilet fills and won't flush. Is this a pressure issue?? If my line is clear why would the floor drain back-up???

    I do this kind of work for a living, prpty mgt and, I am dumfounded. Please help me. Do I need to call a real plumber???

  • #2
    Re: Floor drain back-up. Snake did not clear.

    You haven't hit the right spot yet, the line is still stopped up

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    • #3
      Re: Floor drain back-up. Snake did not clear.

      from your description it sounds like you need some one with more knowledge of drain cleaning than you have,

      Do you have trees in that are near the main line?

      I would guess you punched a thought a clog and temporary drained the line and it recloged, and my guess is the toilet sounds like a vent issue and may be a drain clog issue as well, some place air is trapped and even sucking the water out of the bowl when it does drain down some or is making a back pressure keeping it from siphoning, trapped air, (more than likely a combination of the the two, vent and drain),

      and "If my line is clear why would the floor drain back-up???" most likely the answer is it is not clear, many clogs will leak and depending on where they are in the line sewage my drain slowly for many days, weeks, months, until it get to the point it starts to work it way up into the house, in between slow draining, your floor plunging may have only broke it open temporary, and your snaking may have only punched a small hole in a clog that would have been very temporary, so it may have swooshed but that does not necessarily the entire problem was dealt with,

      I may be entirly wrong here but I am guessing your going to find roots in the line before your done, (so I would not go into the main line with a machine that is not capable of handling roots),
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      • #4
        Re: Floor drain back-up. Snake did not clear.

        Originally posted by ommegang View Post
        My floor drain is backing-up. Cleaned the main-line out and all good. Happened again, this time much clean water. snaked out 100' feet of line, nothing. Finally plunged the floor drain and woosh. Now, again happening with sewage. Snaked again several times with no success.

        Mind you, I had a new toilet put in the basement where one didn't exist previously. And, the toilet won't hold water in the bowl. So, I plugged the floor drain. Now, the toilet fills and won't flush. Is this a pressure issue?? If my line is clear why would the floor drain back-up???

        I do this kind of work for a living, prpty mgt and, I am dumfounded. Please help me. Do I need to call a real plumber???


        I would call a sewer & drain cleaning specialist

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        • #5
          Re: Floor drain back-up. Snake did not clear.

          you have 2 issues. when the main plugged it backed up waste and paper into the floor drain that is most likely a 1.5-2'' line and trap. you cleared the main temporally and that left the paper and waste in the trap of the floor drain. easily plunged and washed out.

          now you have a stoppage in the main. unless you know how far your main runs before it ties into the city, you might be coming up short or just pushed the stoppage to the next bad spot downstream. very common when the line has roots.

          of course the size of the cable and cutter makes a hugh difference between success and a long day.

          does the line have a history of problems. do you have a track record with this property?

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          • #6
            Re: Floor drain back-up. Snake did not clear.

            Root infestation will cause the problem too. You run a skinny little snake down there and push the toilet paper off the roots and it works for awhile until the paper hangs up again. Plunging it drives the paper away but it comes back.......it always comes back. You need a pro to come out with bigger equipment and a root cutter.
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            • #7
              Re: Floor drain back-up. Snake did not clear.

              Thanks for the replies. My snake was a 3/4" 100' machine with a 3" wide cutter.
              No history with the house. It was a foreclosure and I had the new toilet put in b4 testing for any length of time.
              Why could I get 100' out and still not have the floor drain go down the second snake-out? Then plunge the floor drain and have that work? Now I run the washtub and the floordrain will rise and overflow. So, I plugged it. Will this floor plug cause me damage? It's been in one week now.
              You guys still think my line is clogged even with a 3" wide cutter and 100' out?? Is roto rooter my only option here? Thier machine isn't any better than the 3/4" E eel Home Depot one I have is it?
              There is a big tree 20' from where I think my line runs. No man hole in the street which is a dead end cultisac in the city. could my clog be more than 100' out? My snake should be 20 - 30' into the city line from my walk-off. I've never cleaned a main out and still have the floor drain rise and overflow. That's why I thought perhaps some sort of pressure issue with the new toilet instalation. I hate when I don't understand things!!!!

              Oh yeah, did I mention that upon the first snake-out, I was rubbing my elbow on my knee so much, while retracting the snake, I tore the skin, contracted MRSA(staph infection) and ended up in the hospital for 4 days and one elbow surgury later? That's my worst fear on foreclosures - collapsed clay pipe. However, I don't think that's the case hear since my line got 100' out.
              Last edited by ommegang; 06-09-2012, 03:26 PM.

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              • #8
                Re: Floor drain back-up. Snake did not clear.

                Could be a main line problem.

                Could also be a problem in a 2" shared by the floor drain and the washer located in the area before the 2" joins the main line.

                Remove the plug from the floor drain, run water into the washer drain until the floor drain starts to fill up, then flush a toilet. If the toilet flush does not cause the floor drain to overflow, flush it a lot more and make sure. If still good, go flush all the toilets a bunch of times (if the water in the floor drain starts to go away during all this, stop and top it up from the washer drain).

                If still not overflowing, then the problem is NOT a main line, it is a shared 2" for the washer and the floor drain. Address this by snaking or jetting from the floor drain, the cleanout in the side of the floor drain if it has one, the washer drain, or whatever works.

                If a toilet flush DOES cause the floor drain to overflow, then it is a main line problem. Address this by removing whichever of the toilet(s) that caused the overflow is closest to the the drain. Verify there is water in the flange, run water at any nearby fixture until there is water in the flange if it is empty (rethink you diagnosis if you can run water without filling the flange) and then snake from the toilet flange.

                There might be a better access than the toilet flange, a cleanout or something similar. If you want to use another access like that then make sure it is upstream of the problem by running water into it and seeing the floor drain back up from that water.
                Last edited by Ace Sewer; 06-09-2012, 08:04 PM.
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                • #9
                  Re: Floor drain back-up. Snake did not clear.

                  Originally posted by Ace Sewer View Post
                  Could be a main line problem.

                  Could also be a problem in a 2" shared by the floor drain and the washer located in the area before the 2" joins the main line.

                  Remove the plug from the floor drain, run water into the washer drain until the floor drain starts to fill up, then flush a toilet. If the toilet flush does not cause the floor drain to overflow, flush it a lot more and make sure. If still good, go flush all the toilets a bunch of times (if the water in the floor drain starts to go away during all this, stop and top it up from the washer drain).

                  If still not overflowing, then the problem is NOT a main line, it is a shared 2" for the washer and the floor drain. Address this by snaking or jetting from the floor drain, the cleanout in the side of the floor drain if it has one, the washer drain, or whatever works.

                  If a toilet flush DOES cause the floor drain to overflow, then it is a main line problem. Address this by removing whichever of the toilet(s) that caused the overflow is closest to the the drain. Verify there is water in the flange, run water at any nearby fixture until there is water in the flange if it is empty (rethink you diagnosis if you can run water without filling the flange) and then snake from the toilet flange.

                  There might be a better access than the toilet flange, a cleanout or something similar. If you want to use another access like that then make sure it is upstream of the problem by running water into it and seeing the floor drain back up from that water.

                  I agree with Ace Sewer. Nice elaboration on what to do about the problem of our friend Ommegang.
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