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  • K. L. McReynolds
    started a topic Trash filter?

    Trash filter?

    I have a problem. The main water line for my place is full of the normal inside deposits. Problem is that when the neighbors kids play basketball in the yard next door, I get an influx of those deposits in my water lines. The ctuff plugs faucets and areators and I know the water heater is getting filled.

    Is there any kind of easily cleanable filter I can install to filter out those pesky things?

    My landlord no longer will discuss the matter---he says I am the only one with the problem---has to be in my lines----which are all new as of three years ago.

    The deposits dissolve in vinegar, so they are mostly soduim carbonate?---we have really hard water here in KCK.

  • toolaholic
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    pup make that c-36 and gen b

    why not learn something from rick.
    he is always here to help!
    any jerk can can bust balls. that is not what these sites are for.
    sign up for some anger mangt. classes

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  • plumbdog10
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    Originally posted by toolaholic:
    to plum puppy

    43 years in the trades, passed my c-38in ca.

    and i,m no ones foreman.

    i write the checks to guys like you!
    1) I'm not sure how passing the C-38 (refrigeration contractor) exam qualifies you to give advice on domestic water service problems.

    2) "...and i,m no ones foreman." With your lack of writing skills, you would not be qualified to be a foreman on any of the projects I have managed.

    3) I hold both a C-36 (Plumbing) and a B (General Building) contractor's license in California.

    4) "i write checks to guys like you!" You might write checks, but I doubt they are to guys like me.

    5) If you own your own business, great. I hope it is successful. I do what I do because I want to.

    6) Because you flamed me, does not change my original opinion. I feel K.L. has more of a neighborhood feud problem, than a plumbing problem.

    This is evident from the fact that he has been given advice from several well qualified plumbers (plumber, plumber rick, et al), yet so far he hasn't seemed to have tried anything they described. He just keeps writing about the kids next door.

    7) If you want to get in the last word, feel free. This is my last post on this subject.

    Your hero,

    plumb puppy

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  • toolaholic
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    to plum puppy

    43 years in the trades, passed my c-38in ca.

    and i,m no ones foreman.

    i write the checks to guys like you!

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    PLUMBDOG, AT FIRST I COULDN'T SEE THE CONNECTION BETWEEN BASKETBALL AND SEDIMENT. AS I STATED IN MY FIRST POST I WAS CONFUSED. THE MORE INFO MAC GAVE US, THE MORE HE KEPT INSISTING THE CORRELATION BETWEEN THE KIDS AND THE WATER, THE MORE I CAN SEE THE POSSIBILITES. IF THE LINE IS BURIED SHALLOW AND UNDER THE COURT, THEN A BASKETBALL BOUNCING OVER THE DIRT, IS SIMILAR TO A WACKER COMPACTING DIRT. WHO KNOWS HOW DEEP OR SHALLOW THE LINE IS BURIED. DIG IT UP AND EXPOSE THE PIPE. I WOULD THINK AT THIS POINT, MAC IS NOT HOLDING BACK THE FACTS. HE COULD BE AT THE END OF THE WATER LINE BRANCH. AS HE STATED FROM SOME SIMPLE TEST, IT SHOWS UP WHEN THE BALL IS BOUNCED OVER THE PIPE.
    I KNOW AT FIRST THIS ALL SOUNDED FAR FETCHED, BUT MAC'S FACTS ARE HIS FACTS. MIGHT BE A GOOD TIME FOR A RIDGID FORUM ROAD TRIP. MAC, HOW'S THE WEATHER? IT'S HOT AND HUMID HERE IN SOUTHERN CALIF. I AM SWEATING LIKE A DOG.
    PLUMBDOG, KEEP IT COMING, I ENJOY THE "BANTER".
    RICK.

    [ 07-23-2005, 03:00 AM: Message edited by: PLUMBER RICK ]

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  • ToUtahNow
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    Mac,

    It's obvious why Plumbdog10 is a pipe fitter and not a service plumber. I do not believe your problem is sediment. As Rick pointed out you have a strainer on your regulator which should clog with sediment before sediment goes through your house. If you are convinced you have sediment in your main you should install a replaceable cartridge type sediment filter at the connection to your coach.

    I don't recall ever being in your community but did spend some time in DeSoto, Kansas during a cross country motorcyle ride. Both communities take water from the same treatment plant and I do not recall the water being that hard. I went to your water companies web site and checked the hardness of your water. While it is hard it is nowhere near as hard as the water is where I live.

    It sounds like you may have some disolved magnesium and calcium in your pipes rather than sediment. The scaling in your water heater is likely calcite. I've seen as much as 200 pounds of sediment in some homes with really hard wells. Cleaning sediment out of your water heater on a regular basis is normal maintanance and will save you on your energy bills.

    Good luck with your problem but it is hard to give you exact answers without being there. Again if you really think it is sediment from the main the filter I recommended will show it fairly quickly. If your coach is connected with a 3/4" flex it will only take a few minutes to install the filter.

    Mark

    [ 07-22-2005, 11:56 PM: Message edited by: ToUtahNow ]

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  • plumbdog10
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    Plumber Rick,

    Are honestly telling me that this guy has a problem with his pipes because some kids are playing basketball next door?

    I know we have had our differences. Well I was probably the cause. I am out-spoken, and usually seem like a jerk. The fact is, I don't think you buy the basketball story. I think you have too much experience for that.

    In my opinion, I think toolaholic's post is what this guy was looking for in the first place. He jumped on the advice to seek an attorney. That was his whole reason for posting here. He wanted a plumber to agree with him to seek a lawsuit.

    Problem is, what is toolaholic's qualifications.

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  • K. L. McReynolds
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    Plumber Rick---I am beginning to understand that.

    Tool---may come to that, but I first have to prove the problem is from their pipes.

    Thanks to all fopr the help, corrections and stictoitiveness. [img]smile.gif[/img]

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  • toolaholic
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    the old galvey isdumping iron parts. with the kids ball vibrations, obviously. you have a right to clean water!
    a certified leter from an attorney to the owners is necessary! otherwise nothing will happen

    THEY HAVE THE PROBLEM WHEN THE LETTER IS RECEIVED! good luck

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    MAC, THE DOG WON'T QUIT UNTIL HE TAKES A BITE. I THINK YOU MADE YOURSELF CLEAR TO ALL.
    RICK

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  • plumbdog10
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    Again, I stick with my original post.

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  • K. L. McReynolds
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    Ok, let me state the crud volume again---a cup of calcium carbonate particles(remember I said they are disolvable in white vinegar)---averaging from the the size of a broken #2 pencil point up to some 1/4" in diameter(flat and round with jagged edges)----per week on average.

    I have had to replace a kitchen faucet since i could no longer backflush it to clean out the particles. The bathtub faucet is now close to the same.

    I understand about the galvanized/copper thing---this is way beyond that.I had three inches of this stuff in the bottom of my water heater---before I removed the element and cleaned it as best I could. That was last year---probably needs cleaning again.

    This park is private property---the utilities are owned by the park---the water bill is paid to the park---not the water company. In fact, the water company's maintenance stops at the pump utilized by the park. And the regulator is required/recommended by the park, depending on which person and which day you ask.

    Within ten minutes of the kids starting to play ball I will begin to see particles in the cold water from any faucet---except for the ones that are again plugged.

    Folks, I know this sounds bizarre---as I
    mentioned, I used to work for the water company, and have discussed the problem with troublemen, lab techs, and crew foremen---all of whom have helped form or at least agree with my diagnosis.

    I was trying to come up with a filter I could hook up that would not plug up so I would have no water whatsoever while trying to get the manager/handyman to come see the proof---sometimes takes a day or two.

    I think what I will do is fabricate something---with ideas I got help with here.

    I really do apologize for my sarcasm---this is one of those issues that has to be described in detail to every new listener---and I am a bit tired of cussing and discussing it.

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  • toolaholic
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    interisting problem! you guys sure gave a lot of your time to help this guy out! that was nice.

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    MAC, AS YOU JUST STATED, YOU DIDN'T GIVE ENOUGH PERTINENT INFORMATION. NOW YOU ARE GIVING MORE INFO AND THE SAME CORE GROUP OF PEOPLE ARE STILL HELPING YOU WITH YOUR "CRUD" PROBLEM. THEN YOU END BY SAYING THAT YOU'RE NOT SURE IF YOU WANT TO STAY PART OF THIS FORUM. SOUNDS LIKE YOU KNOW YOU DIDN'T GIVE THE INFO WE NEEDED TO HELP YOU. THEN YOU CRITICISE THE PEOPLE TRYING TO HELP YOU, THEN YOU POST MORE INFO.
    WELL WHAT IS IT? DO YOU WANT OUR HELP, OR NOT?
    PS. BOTH PLUMBER AND UTAH GAVE VERY GOOD ANSWERS.
    PESONALLY I WOULD KEEP THE PRESSURE REGULATOR ON YOUR SYSTEM SINCE IT'S ALREADY THERE. IT IS SET LOW ENOUGH TO PREVENT PRESSURE SPIKES IN YOUR SYSTEM. MOST SMALLER 1/2''-2'' REGULATORS HAVE SOME SORT OF STRAINER INCORPORATED INTO THE REGULATOR TO PROTECT THE WORKING PARTS OF THE REGULATOR. I WOULD CHECK YOUR REGULATOR FOR THIS STRAINER. IF IT IS THERE AND WORKING PROPERLY, THEN YOUR ISSUES ARE WITHIN YOUR UNIT. IF THERE IS NO STRAINER IN YOUR REGULATOR, THEN PUT IN A WYE STRAINER OR A FILTER. A CARBON WHOLE HOUSE FILTER IS REAL CHEAP. THIS WILL PUT AN END TO WHERE THE CRUD IS LOCATED.
    YOU AND US HAVE NOW INVESTED TOO MUCH TIME AND INFO TO QUIT NOW. LET US KNOW WHAT HAPPENS. THEN IF YOU STILL FEEL LIKE YOU WANT TO QUIT, SO BE IT.
    RICK.

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  • ToUtahNow
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    I agree, if all you have is 60 psig I would take the regulator out. The code does not even require a regulator at 60 psig. Both the Uniform and International Plumbing Codes only require regulators above 80 psig.

    As for a closed system unless you bought a real cheap regulator your regulator likely has an internal bypass build in for thermal expanion.

    I noticed you talk about a booster pump in your supply system. Typically a booster pump will be installed with a storage tank. If so you may want to check your storage tank for debri.

    Mark

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