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    This is a repost of a question my wife posted earlier. She did not give a proper description of the problem.

    We have a steel beam supporting the house in the basement. The beam is anchored to the basement wall on one end and has two columns supporting it one in the middle and one on the end. If possible we would like to remove the middle columns and reinforce the end beam. Can this be done?

    There is another beam in the middle and its the same size and has two column one on each end, but the span between the columns is the same. The difference is the beam with the columns in the center has 3" diameter columns where the other one has 4" diameter columns.


    Thanks

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    Re: Moving Support Columns

    While I'm not an engineer or in the contracting business, I have owned a few homes. So, my opinion would be that any time you run into major support issues, be it foundation walls, footings, beams, or support columns, the best possible advice would be to find a local structural engineer. If not readily found in the yellow pages, check with an achitectural firm or foundation contractor for a possible referral.

    This is something that I feel is not advisable via the internet or with a phone call. A qualified person must view the structure first hand. Otherwise pulling a support column could very well weaken the structure or bring the whole thing down on you. This is not the kind of situation where you want to cut corners.

    CWS

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    • #3
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      the short answer to your question, without sounding sarcastic, is yes, it is possible to remove the support columns, provided (1) the load they are carrying continues to be supported in some fashion and (2) you are willing to write a check large enough to make this happen. usually, columns can be removed only if the beam(s) they are supporting are re-engineered to accomodate what is effectively an increase in the load the beam(s) are being asked to support. one of the most used methods is to "bury" the beam by moving it up so that the lower plane of the beam is now at the same level as the lower level of the joists it is supporting. the joists are then attached to the beam using joist hangers. unfortunately, this usually means significantly increasing the size, both width and depth, of the beam(s) which may lead to other issues depending on what is above the beam(s) that need to be modified. this is not a DIY job, unless close to pro skills are available. i would not rely on a contractor alone as they do not usually possess the technical educational backgrouond to adequately assess loads and design structural systems to accomodate those loads. your next stop shouold be consulting a structural engineer, preferably one possessing something equivalent to a professional engineer (PE) license. do this modificiation incorrectly and your house could collapse and you could run the risk of serious personal injury.
      there's a solution to every problem.....you just have to be willing to find it.

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      • #4
        Re: Moving Support Columns

        What they said.

        Get a pro to see it in person, but unless there is a structural defect (or you have lots of disposable $$) you're better off just leaving it alone. Try to work around the columns in your plans.
        Last edited by dp; 02-22-2008, 05:17 PM.

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        • #5
          Re: Moving Support Columns

          All of the above -- what they said. Not cheap, not easy, not DIY friendly.
          Long story short -- box in the beams with framing and close up with drywall.
          Columns, box in with framing and close up with rock or the paneling you're planning to use on the walls. Other option on the columns is to do the burlap wrap (high quality, color coordinated, not something cheesy looking) thing and match it to the decor. Glue it or even hot glue it for an almost instant grab. Use a type where you can remove it later if the colors change (water based in that case). Hope this helps some.
          Jim Don

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          • #6
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            Ritu, give us more info to even think about any possibilities. Basement dem, beam sizes and locations, column sizes and locations in reference to the basement.
            info for all: http://www.hoistman.com http://www.freeyabb.com/phpbb/index....wwtoolinfoforu --- "I like long walks, especially when they are taken by people who annoy me."

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            • #7
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              I cant believe that some of you gave advice to Ritu.
              Are you some of you, some kind of an inspector or a major goof ball I aint herd of yet!!!? DONT Ever remove or try to redirect the weight on your load bearing pillars.
              They are there for a reason. I have never seen any worker in my time even attempt or bid on something as outrageous as removing load bearing supports.
              Wife need's a physics lesson man!
              These are right under your load wall's upstairs. I dont know if you have a ranch or an upstairs or not, but you ought to tell wife to just deal with it!!!
              I have boxed them out and built wall's incorporating them. But never remove.
              If you do good luck on selling you house some day.

              Bobby.
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              Be safe out there folks
              Bob B
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              • #8
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                Originally posted by bob bridgewater View Post
                I cant believe that some of you gave advice to Ritu.
                Are you some of you, some kind of an inspector or a major goof ball I aint herd of yet!!!? DONT Ever remove or try to redirect the weight on your load bearing pillars.
                They are there for a reason. I have never seen any worker in my time even attempt or bid on something as outrageous as removing load bearing supports.
                Wife need's a physics lesson man!
                These are right under your load wall's upstairs. I dont know if you have a ranch or an upstairs or not, but you ought to tell wife to just deal with it!!!
                I have boxed them out and built wall's incorporating them. But never remove.
                If you do good luck on selling you house some day.

                Bobby.
                Chill out Bobby, nobody gave advice to remove anything. Everyone said to call in a pro!
                info for all: http://www.hoistman.com http://www.freeyabb.com/phpbb/index....wwtoolinfoforu --- "I like long walks, especially when they are taken by people who annoy me."

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                • #9
                  Re: Moving Support Columns

                  Originally posted by bob bridgewater View Post
                  I cant believe that some of you gave advice to Ritu.
                  Are you some of you, some kind of an inspector or a major goof ball I aint herd of yet!!!? DONT Ever remove or try to redirect the weight on your load bearing pillars.
                  They are there for a reason. I have never seen any worker in my time even attempt or bid on something as outrageous as removing load bearing supports.
                  Wife need's a physics lesson man!
                  These are right under your load wall's upstairs. I dont know if you have a ranch or an upstairs or not, but you ought to tell wife to just deal with it!!!
                  I have boxed them out and built wall's incorporating them. But never remove.
                  If you do good luck on selling you house some day.

                  Bobby.
                  Bobby,
                  I have removed more drop beams and replaced with flush(wood)than I have done repipes,just kidding.But I have done quite a few.I think I charged $1,200.00 for the last one,without drywall patch.

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                  • #10
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                    I made my statement in the other thread so I'm here to just and
                    Great Link for a Construction Owner/Tradesmen, and just say Garager sent you....

                    http://www.contractorspub.com

                    A good climbing rope will last you 3 to 5 years, a bad climbing rope will last you a life time !!!

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                    • #11
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                      Originally posted by garager View Post
                      I made my statement in the other thread so I'm here to just and
                      What other thread?
                      info for all: http://www.hoistman.com http://www.freeyabb.com/phpbb/index....wwtoolinfoforu --- "I like long walks, especially when they are taken by people who annoy me."

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                      • #12
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                        Originally posted by papadan View Post
                        What other thread?
                        http://www.ridgidforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15905
                        Great Link for a Construction Owner/Tradesmen, and just say Garager sent you....

                        http://www.contractorspub.com

                        A good climbing rope will last you 3 to 5 years, a bad climbing rope will last you a life time !!!

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                        • #13
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                          Thanks, I missed that one, but they forgot to ask the question.
                          info for all: http://www.hoistman.com http://www.freeyabb.com/phpbb/index....wwtoolinfoforu --- "I like long walks, especially when they are taken by people who annoy me."

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