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    Yesterday my old framing nailer finally died. Off I rush to HD and plan to buy a new Ridgid framing nailer. As it turns out the Ridgid rep is there. The rep gets my new nailer down from a shelf while I look for nails. Guess what? The HD store where I was doesn't sell nails for the Ridgid framing gun. They weren't just sold out there was no tag on any shelf that indicated a place for the nails to be. The rep looked, the store associate looked and then the store manager looked.

    How stupid. I was disgusted that I wasted about an hour, went back to the jobsite and pounded by hand the rest of the day. I will buy a new nailer this morning on the way to the job but it ain't gonna be a Ridgid.

    Tom

  • #2
    Re: No Nails

    You're basing the quality and performance of a product solely because an intermediate supplier of product doesn't have nails?

    That's not rational thinking man.


    And I'm sorry you had to pound nails, manually. That had to be a f88king tragedy to drive a nail into wood.


    When I helped a builder frame homes when I was 16 for 4 months before I got fired for being stoned too much...every nail from the joists to the rooftop to the trim was nailed by hand.

    We truly live in a different world these days...
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    • #3
      Re: No Nails

      Originally posted by DUNBAR View Post
      You're basing the quality and performance of a product solely because an intermediate supplier of product doesn't have nails?

      That's not rational thinking man.
      From the sounds of it Dunbar, Tom didn't say that he was basing product performance on HD not having nails. He said that he needed a gun that worked. Why would he buy a gun to bring to the jobsite if he can't get nails. It sounded to me like he did want a RIDGID gun because he did know something about them. Would you buy a new car if you couldn't get fuel?


      Originally posted by DUNBAR View Post
      And I'm sorry you had to pound nails, manually. That had to be a f88king tragedy to drive a nail into wood.

      When I helped a builder frame homes when I was 16 for 4 months before I got fired for being stoned too much...every nail from the joists to the rooftop to the trim was nailed by hand.

      We truly live in a different world these days...
      I would think that the time that it took to build a house (including nailing by hand) when costing by the builder was taken into account when you were 16 Dunbar. You're right when you say that we live in a different world now. I would think that if the builder priced out the time to frame (with his people using a gun), and then the time factor was now multiplied by 4 or 6 to do the same job manually, he would loose his shorts.

      If you priced out your labor for jobs, then lost the use of your trucks, how effictive would you be able to function by loading up an ox-cart going from job to job?

      Just my thoughts.
      Mick

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      • #4
        Re: No Nails

        Originally posted by Fireguy97 View Post
        From the sounds of it Dunbar, Tom didn't say that he was basing product performance on HD not having nails. He said that he needed a gun that worked. Why would he buy a gun to bring to the jobsite if he can't get nails. It sounded to me like he did want a RIDGID gun because he did know something about them. Would you buy a new car if you couldn't get fuel?




        I would think that the time that it took to build a house (including nailing by hand) when costing by the builder was taken into account when you were 16 Dunbar. You're right when you say that we live in a different world now. I would think that if the builder priced out the time to frame (with his people using a gun), and then the time factor was now multiplied by 4 or 6 to do the same job manually, he would loose his shorts.

        If you priced out your labor for jobs, then lost the use of your trucks, how effictive would you be able to function by loading up an ox-cart going from job to job?

        Just my thoughts.
        Mick

        Is this your brother?

        Just curious


        I'm going to make my response simple:


        1 - Albany #1241 161 R Washington Ave Ext
        Albany, NY 12205
        (518)452-9600
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        Michael
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        Albany, NY 12205
        (518)438-1586
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        Rensselaer, NY 12144
        (518)283-1819
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        4 - Latham #1259 579 Troy-Schenectady Rd
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        All within 10 miles inside or near Albany New York.

        Now, knowing what stubborn ox I am to the folks in orange, The very first thing out of my mouth is >>>>> "call your other locations and find me the store that has it" and if the Ridgid rep says there's none in all 4 stores in the area?

        My dumb *** is leaving that store with a Senco, Bostitch, Dewalt, Paslode, F**k, harbor freight if it has to be, in order to keep me from hand banging nails and then coming home to write about it on a forum.


        He left that home depot knowing all those products existed, and he chose to hand bang nails, right?

        Not me. I would of been first on the cell phone in that damn aisle, putting that ridgid rep to work or the orange smock man on his whirly birdie phone talking to his fellow comrades to hook me up with nails, I need em.

        Why is it that it's ridgid's fault because one of their indirect suppliers ran out of nails, or had maybe a sale or maybe sold a shitload of pneumatic nailers last week and he missed out on the big sale, and guess what, they sold a shitload of nails too and ran out!


        We know the intent of the posting here, and you just fanned the fire I already started. Damn, gonna make me start smoking weed having to explain reality in a short damn drive down the parkway to another home depot.

        I'll freakin' paypal ya gas money ffs.


        I like putting people to work when something isn't right. Complaining only works when there's results, and I get them all the time.



        And I know damn right well there's companies in a 10 mile radius that sell ridgid products that are not home depots. That's a fact.
        Last edited by DUNBAR PLUMBING; 05-05-2009, 06:04 PM.
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        • #5
          Re: No Nails

          Dunbar,

          I think you might nave missed part of my post, the part where I said there weren't any tags on the shelves to indicate they ever sold the nails.

          This morning I went to your HD listed as #2, Central Avenue, to see if they had nails for the Ridgid gun. Nope, and no indication on any shelves that a place ever existed for them.

          The reason I pounded nails by hand was that I planned to stop by your #2 HD, because it is close to my home, and investigate if they had nails. I have had good luck with Ridgid products and it was worth it to me to wait one more day to see if nails were available at another store.

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          • #6
            Re: No Nails

            You're name looks familiar and I know I've chatted with you before on here.

            I'm pretty sure you have a cell phone and what not. If you're in the field, put all your places of interest in your rolodex on the cell phone.

            When you're at home, or even in the field, get that 6 digit number of the product and have them do a "all-locate" on their computer system.


            This will give you the exact <(termed loosely) counts in all the stores in your area.

            I have like 200 numbers stored on my phone and If someone says they don't have it, I'm calling the next before I hang up with the last one and hitting zero multiple times to forward to operator to get to the right place in a business.

            I'm mean, I'm harsh, and demanding and my time dealing with (everyone under $10/hour) puts the whole context into perspective. LOL! I'm laughing at my own words now.


            Driving around is a serious time killer. If you was close, I'd blow the dust off my senco and let you use it till you got your nails. It got tired shooting at squirrels at my last rental property I owned.
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            • #7
              Re: No Nails

              Very good points on all of that Dunbar. I would have opted for another brand of nailer, one that had a popular nail that I would be able to find anywhere. You are right about the fact that after all of that he posted here to tell us about pounding nails.

              My brother is a contracter in Montreal, not NY. Never heard of Tom before today.

              Mick

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              • #8
                Re: No Nails

                Bostitch and nails-A-Plenty.

                Also you all forgot one major Factor. HD is what the sole suplier of Ridgid tools? and Contractors usualy dont do Big house or addition orders at HD I sure as hell Do not. i go to one of my fav lumber yards and when i do i ALSO order my NAils as well for Said job. So unless ridgid was "Smart" here and made there guns to accept either porter-cable or Bostich or even maybe passload nails then this gun is a no go for the contractor.

                Now for small jobs that you can go grab a few things at the local HD well if they have no nails either for Ridgid nailers but a Plethora of the others well thats a no brainer too.



                Originally posted by Tom W View Post
                Yesterday my old framing nailer finally died. Off I rush to HD and plan to buy a new Ridgid framing nailer. As it turns out the Ridgid rep is there. The rep gets my new nailer down from a shelf while I look for nails. Guess what? The HD store where I was doesn't sell nails for the Ridgid framing gun. They weren't just sold out there was no tag on any shelf that indicated a place for the nails to be. The rep looked, the store associate looked and then the store manager looked.

                How stupid. I was disgusted that I wasted about an hour, went back to the jobsite and pounded by hand the rest of the day. I will buy a new nailer this morning on the way to the job but it ain't gonna be a Ridgid.

                Tom
                Last edited by Arthur96; 05-05-2009, 11:24 PM.

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                • #9
                  Re: No Nails

                  Originally posted by Fireguy97 View Post
                  From the sounds of it Dunbar, Tom didn't say that he was basing product performance on HD not having nails. He said that he needed a gun that worked. Why would he buy a gun to bring to the jobsite if he can't get nails. It sounded to me like he did want a RIDGID gun because he did know something about them. Would you buy a new car if you couldn't get fuel?




                  I would think that the time that it took to build a house (including nailing by hand) when costing by the builder was taken into account when you were 16 Dunbar. You're right when you say that we live in a different world now. I would think that if the builder priced out the time to frame (with his people using a gun), and then the time factor was now multiplied by 4 or 6 to do the same job manually, he would loose his shorts.

                  If you priced out your labor for jobs, then lost the use of your trucks, how effictive would you be able to function by loading up an ox-cart going from job to job?

                  Just my thoughts.
                  Mick
                  You Forgot the cost of band-aids

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                  • #10
                    Re: No Nails

                    Originally posted by Tom W View Post
                    Yesterday my old framing nailer finally died. Off I rush to HD and plan to buy a new Ridgid framing nailer. As it turns out the Ridgid rep is there. The rep gets my new nailer down from a shelf while I look for nails. Guess what? The HD store where I was doesn't sell nails for the Ridgid framing gun. They weren't just sold out there was no tag on any shelf that indicated a place for the nails to be. The rep looked, the store associate looked and then the store manager looked.

                    How stupid. I was disgusted that I wasted about an hour, went back to the jobsite and pounded by hand the rest of the day. I will buy a new nailer this morning on the way to the job but it ain't gonna be a Ridgid.

                    Tom

                    I found this here http://www.ridgid.com/ContentPages/f...stnerChart.pdf

                    Looks like Ridgid wont be making there own nails. funny the rep didnt know LOL

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                    • #11
                      Re: No Nails

                      Originally posted by DUNBAR View Post
                      And I know damn right well there's companies in a 10 mile radius that sell ridgid products that are not home depots. That's a fact.
                      Yeah, but they probably don't sell the nailers and nails. In practice, HD is the exclusive source for the general purpose Ridgid Power/Air tools. If they don't have the nails for it reliably, the tool drastically loses its utility compared to other brands.

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                      • #12
                        Re: No Nails

                        How the heck is your first thought NOT to see what other nails are compatible?

                        Very few companies don't choose to follow Senco's lead so they can use their nails. The only reason you can use Hitachi or Porter Cable nails is because they copied Senco also.

                        Paslode is one company you have to keep an eye on.

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                        • #13
                          Re: No Nails

                          R350RHA Full Round Head Plastic Collation Framing Nailer
                          Collation Angle: 21 - 22˚


                          Uses 21-22˚ full round head framing nails manufactured by:
                          Bostitch®, Grip-Rite®, Porter-Cable®, SENCO®.


                          From PDF

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                          • #14
                            Re: No Nails

                            Originally posted by cpw View Post
                            Yeah, but they probably don't sell the nailers and nails. In practice, HD is the exclusive source for the general purpose Ridgid Power/Air tools. If they don't have the nails for it reliably, the tool drastically loses its utility compared to other brands.

                            I guess I shouldn't blanket statement my preachings since one community doesn't follow another.

                            We have numerous outlets where products are specialized for these products. The area I'm in is a booming area for growth, and supply/demand was throttled up till the economy slagged for new construction.


                            Today, however, in writing a response to this thread a company I dealt with for years that has fixed my tools and done other things like supply me with nails, screws, bits, anything tool related has been sold to a bigger company.

                            Talk about a huge shock, knowing this guy ran this company in top notch fashion, had the network of 100's of 1000's of people that was branded into the heads of many, only to see that 8-12 months of slowing put the bullet in the chamber and he ducked, sold the business before running it into the ground. In less than 12 months, he went from prospering long term business owner to now "employee" of the company that bought him out, controlling a division that is 39 miles from his home, one way, every day.

                            That's a loooooooooooong drive to go from the luxury of business ownership to being a name and number and fighting other people's battles at this point to get that beloved check minus all the tax incentives and perks you now do not have. Straight money and no offsets. That is pain my friends and I've experienced it once in life so far because I rolled the dice with the wrong woman. She was right for me, but wrong for futuristic goals of success.

                            So...back on topic. Here's how I handle the issue this thread was started by:

                            I have home depot's phone number memorized for the closest location,

                            the other 4 in my area I don't, but have them in my cell phone.

                            Here's how you get answers, quickly >>> if automated systems answers, HIT 1, then 3, then enter the code *3 digit number* for the department you're after. If it rings more than 4 times, they're either ignoring you or they have a customer in front of them, or the majority they are understaffed.

                            Press # to return to main menu and keep hitting 0 till you get hooked to the live operator. You either go to that level and resend the call to the department, or play it smart and type in the 3 digit code to commercial sales desk. There you'll have people in front of computers that will be able to know exactly the product you're after by search of mfg. then describe the product you need or the sku is the be all answer to what you're after.

                            They can do a physical count, if it's a small number, have them do a "physical" count where they go and check, make sure you're product is pulled and sitting at the front counter to be picked up. Easy japaneezy.

                            If they don't, it's two clicks to a screen that will give the regional count of the product you're after, those stores trade/move inventory back and forth depending on what relationships are being had.

                            When I bought my generators last year, this method was used and they pulled the product to one location immediately and out the door I go.

                            Using their website is useless, the only next best thing is the phone time and hope there's no goose chase. Thank you, cell phones.
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                            • #15
                              Re: No Nails

                              Is no one reading my posts and the PDF i provided? Ridgid is NOT making there own brand of nails for there guns. They made there guns to accept the nails made by other manufacturers like Bostitch porter-cable passload grip-rite.....etc.

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