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  • #16
    Re: Additional Line for K-380

    Look at the bottom link and then open up the mauals on the k380 and 3800, and compaire, besides the basic look I think the 3800 can use a smaller cable as well.

    The biggest difference is in the Machines are cable diameter and with bigger size there is more strength to the cable and stifness.
    The length of cable the machine can hold, and some in power.
    Some of the larger machines can even use additional drums to add extra lengths of cable to the drain line,

    The pipe helps support the cables, a cable it will twist up and wrap around it self if one end hits an obstruction and stops turning or if it is just out in the open, stretch out the cable on you k380 out on the lawn and turn it on, and watch the cable.

    You may have experienced the cable trying to twist around it self when you were feeding cable into the drain,

    If one uses to small of a cable in, to large of a pipe the cable will will try to twist around it self, and may knot up sticking the cable in the drain or breaking.

    here is a basic comparison of the RIDGID machines lined up, as to line size, which is more to do with cable size. open up the manuals and read, there is recomended cables and pipe size.
    http://www.ridgid.com/Tools/Drain-Maintenance/index.htm

    there are a lot of posts on the board about clearing drains and troubles incountered, read and learn, I know I am.
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    • #17
      Re: Additional Line for K-380

      Thanks, ToUtahNow, for the input re: sectional vs drum. Waiting works for me anyway

      All Clear, you have given me some serious food for thought. Never even wondered why he only had 110' of cable!! He actually only got 10' further than we did, which IS something I realized, but didn't know any better to question the lack of cable. I guess I was mesmerized by the fact that he brought in the camera, which he did say had a 200' line and was unable to get it past 93'. He explained that the sludge becomes a lot like oatmeal, which would allow the snake to plow through, closing around the line as it went through. The camera, however, was not clawing through the sewage, thus it was challenging to push it further.

      I need direction, fast, on what to ask him when he shows up about 2 hrs from now. Should I call his office and request that he re-snake the line with 200' of cable first, then redo the camera? Should I allow him to proceed with jetting the line, then camera it? What do you guys suggest???

      I guess if I don't hear from you before I have to meet him, I'll let him proceed with jetting, then request another camera, then question him on the lack of cable since my journeymen professionals (smile) have advised me to do so. Luv your attention to me, guys! I'ma counting on you -- we're in this together (where did I hear that from???).

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      • #18
        Re: Additional Line for K-380

        BHD, I have been reading the past posts voraciously, and trust me, it has been a HUGH learning experience! Not only that, you guys are flat out funny!!!

        I am totally LOST on what you are trying to tell me in your post. I realize that you were explaining the basic operation of the snake, but what's the difference between the K380 and the 3800, besides the 3800 being able to use smaller lines?? Is it better for commercial jobs vs the K380 best for residential jobs? Not sure what you wanted me to learn, and I'm tryin' to learn, believe me.

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        • #19
          Re: Additional Line for K-380

          Have him snake it!!! If he cant get a snake down it, I dont think a jetter will do anything.

          He explained that the sludge becomes a lot like oatmeal, which would allow the snake to plow through, closing around the line as it went through.

          not buying that story, If it becomes a lot like oatmeal and he cant get past that, you better call someone else.
          http://www.all-clear-sewer.com/

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          • #20
            Re: Additional Line for K-380

            Originally posted by maxienterprises View Post
            BHD, I have been reading the past posts voraciously, and trust me, it has been a HUGH learning experience! Not only that, you guys are flat out funny!!!

            I am totally LOST on what you are trying to tell me in your post. I realize that you were explaining the basic operation of the snake, but what's the difference between the K380 and the 3800, besides the 3800 being able to use smaller lines?? Is it better for commercial jobs vs the K380 best for residential jobs? Not sure what you wanted me to learn, and I'm tryin' to learn, believe me.
            the k-3800 is a more commercial machine. sort of like a homeowner k380 moving up to a professional k3800. it also holds a little longer cable.

            it's possible the issue you're having actually has to do with backfall at the distance out. there is no reason why sludge will build up in that particular location only. either backfall/ poor slope, roots.

            a jetter is great for sludge and muck. the proper jetter and nozzle will do a great job on roots. the problem is the nozzle alone is $1000.

            rick.
            phoebe it is

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            • #21
              Re: Additional Line for K-380

              I would love to see a jetter do what I can do with a K-7500



              this one was jetted before I showed up to save the day

              http://www.all-clear-sewer.com/

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              • #22
                Re: Additional Line for K-380

                You guys are awesome! Had the servicer against the ring post .... no clear line, no payment, which he agreed. He disagreed that it was common for companies to carry 200' of cable -- whatever. I told him I was very concerned about jetting the line, which was not cleared, and having it back up in the basement. That's when he rushed to defend his practice, and ended up saying "no clear line, no payment." I'm off to meet him! Will report back upon my return!!! Thanks, guys!!!

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                • #23
                  Re: Additional Line for K-380

                  I hope it works out for you either way.

                  I dont know about the "no clear line, no payment thing" As some lines may be broken and not be able to clear but I feel that a drain specialist could prove that, that was the problem. I can always poke a hole in any blockage one way or the other to drain off the sludge so I can run the video inspection.

                  As far as extra cable I think he`s nuts.

                  Hey if he cant do it let me know I`m at the shop testing today and would love a road trip $$$$$$$
                  Last edited by All Clear Sewer; 03-29-2007, 02:12 PM.
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                  • #24
                    Re: Additional Line for K-380

                    I only carry 135 to 150 feet of cable for my 1500 machine or k-60 on the truck, Very seldom have to run much over that. Should be cleanout at every 100 feet.
                    My price to clean drain 3 x as much +++
                    I think if the man jets the line and camera the drain< what ever he finds will put you (homeowner) closer to making the proper repair needed and that is worth the money he charging you. stop trying to beat the man out of the money he is due. If your not happy with his service don't call him back.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Additional Line for K-380

                      Hey, Freddy, I'm not trying to beat the man out of money . . . the proposal is what he offered, not what I insisted. That's not my MOA!

                      Yes, I have heard that there should be a clean out every 100'. Remember, this building was built in the early '50's, so an exhaustive search resulted in no cleanout. We theorized that when they poured the courtyard, some idiot buried the clean out. All we could think of. Therefore, no way to enter the line mid-way.

                      I realized that it was going to be whatever it was, and had mentally prepared for that. I also know that ultimately the property owner is going to be stuck with whatever the cost is to clean out or repair (or replace) the sewer lines. Impossible to place blame on the innocent contractor or worker for something that happens. Never have, and never would.

                      Well, All Sewer, back after an EXHAUSTING day with the sewer guy. We met at about 11:15 PST, only to discover, after he had set everything up, that his jetter was leaking fuel. He took a trip to a repair shop and we met again around 1:30. He jetted and ran his camera for 2 hours -- said he got to the city's main line with the jet, but the camera would only go about 110' or so before he was stuck. He tried, tried, tried. He was very frustrated, and he said he had never seen anything like it.

                      A quick call to his boss and he was advised to tape the camera about 3' down the jetter hose to see what's up, which he did. Interestingly enough, the camera had previously shown (after his first jetting attempt)the sewage sitting in animated suspension, like it was in some type of gel! He was puzzled, and I, of course, didn't know what to expect. As long as the jets were shooting, the sewage moved; once the jets stopped, so did the movement of the sewage.

                      I asked him what should be happening and what the camera should be showing. He said that by this time he should be able to see pipe and/or movement of the sewage as he flushed the line. Neither was happening. He said that in all of his 10+ years in the biz, never seen it.

                      Both he and his boss are coming back tomorrow morning at 8:30 a.m. to take another go at it. He had me call the city and tell them that there seemed to be a blockage or something in the main line, because when he took the manhole off, the main line was full and he was puzzled about that. No response yet from the city.

                      Okay, what should I expect, and what should I be asking them or requesting them to do??? He was pretty frustrated and physically tired, pulling and pushing the hose back and forth. Why would the camera show literally no movement in the line (like it was in gel or something). He said it was very tough to push the camera through, but the jetter went all the way, all 200' of it, without the camera attached.

                      As always, I appreciate any comments or help. Thanks!

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                      • #26
                        Re: Additional Line for K-380

                        By the way, All Sewer, you may need to put your truck on the road! Sunny today in Seattle, but our legendary rain will be here tomorrow! Should make for an interesting morning with the sewer guys!!!

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                        • #27
                          Re: Additional Line for K-380

                          IN the town my son lives in, had a similar type of blockage, (lucky it was in the towns mains, but it flooded his yard and neighbors with sewage,

                          they ran a snake in and finally attached a short section auger flighting on the end of the cable, and would screw it into the plug, (this as a massive grease plug) and would just pull it back out in short sections, until they got it cleared, (they were working in a man hole so there were no elbows to work around),
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                          • #28
                            Re: Additional Line for K-380

                            Originally posted by maxienterprises View Post


                            Well, All Sewer, back after an EXHAUSTING day with the sewer guy. We met at about 11:15 PST, only to discover, after he had set everything up, that his jetter was leaking fuel. He took a trip to a repair shop and we met again around 1:30. He jetted and ran his camera for 2 hours -- said he got to the city's main line with the jet, but the camera would only go about 110' or so before he was stuck. He tried, tried, tried. He was very frustrated, and he said he had never seen anything like it.

                            A quick call to his boss and he was advised to tape the camera about 3' down the jetter hose to see what's up, which he did. Interestingly enough, the camera had previously shown (after his first jetting attempt)the sewage sitting in animated suspension, like it was in some type of gel! He was puzzled, and I, of course, didn't know what to expect. As long as the jets were shooting, the sewage moved; once the jets stopped, so did the movement of the sewage.

                            I asked him what should be happening and what the camera should be showing. He said that by this time he should be able to see pipe and/or movement of the sewage as he flushed the line. Neither was happening. He said that in all of his 10+ years in the biz, never seen it.

                            Both he and his boss are coming back tomorrow morning at 8:30 a.m. to take another go at it. He had me call the city and tell them that there seemed to be a blockage or something in the main line, because when he took the manhole off, the main line was full and he was puzzled about that. No response yet from the city.

                            Okay, what should I expect, and what should I be asking them or requesting them to do??? He was pretty frustrated and physically tired, pulling and pushing the hose back and forth. Why would the camera show literally no movement in the line (like it was in gel or something). He said it was very tough to push the camera through, but the jetter went all the way, all 200' of it, without the camera attached.

                            As always, I appreciate any comments or help. Thanks!
                            max, very simple, if the manhole has standing sludge and waste in it, the city main is blocked or restricted. by this time the plumber/ tech should know what the total distance is to city saddle connection. if he put his camera into the line 110', he should have marked that spot and determined if he was in the city common main or approx. how much further he needed.

                            i've had my share of city main stoppages. not to difficult to tell when it's a city issue.

                            as far as his jetter goes. if it had a fuel leak, it's probably not a machine that is well maintained. also 200' of jetter hose is typically not on a large scale machine. is this a trailer jetter or a jetter on a cart? do you know the specs? gallons per minute, psi? just like the proper snake, the proper jetter will make the difference between failure and success

                            every tricky job needs to be sized up. this one sounds like lack of experience and true plumbing knowledge.

                            rick.
                            phoebe it is

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                            • #29
                              Re: Additional Line for K-380

                              Originally posted by All Clear Sewer View Post
                              I would love to see a jetter do what I can do with a K-7500



                              this one was jetted before I showed up to save the day
                              all clear, since i speak from real experience and not third party info, i can honestly say that with the proper jetter and proper nozzle, the k-7500 is not anywhere in the same class as the proper jetter.

                              owning more than a dozen large scale snakes and jetters. the k-7500 does an excellent job on roots.

                              the issue is the jetter i have will do a better and more thorough? job than the k-7500.

                              here is a short list of reasons.

                              a snake and cable is only as good as the cutter sized to the pipe. try to run a 4'' cutter inside of a 4'' pipe. try to scrape clean a 6'' pipe from a 4'' clean out with 4'' piping for the first 50'.

                              try to clean small short hair roots. you are only going to grab and cut large roots. the small roots are like try to garb a person with a crew cut. a pony tail is easy to grab.

                              try to push out with any cutting power 200-400'. try cleaning a line that is 50-75' lower in elevation than the clean out.

                              try to clean sludge, sand , grease.

                              not trying to give you a hard time. but in my 30+ years of doing plumbing and drain cleaning. there is not a new tool or piece of equipment that i don't own or haven't tried.

                              my jetter does a better job than any of my machines. i only use it when i need to. the cable machines do a great job. the jetter does an even better job. especially on the hard, non traditional jobs.

                              i am the first to praise the k-7500, but you ain't seen nothing till you've seen a real jetter, not a toy jetter.

                              look up a "harben" or "us jetting" machine. there is a reason why they cost 10 times more than a k-7500. also look up a "wharthog" nozzle. another reason why it's a thousand dollars and not a 6 dollar blade. good tools cost, good money. bigger, better tools cost even more.

                              just setting the record straight.

                              rick.

                              p.s sorry max for the twist on your sewer problem. the right tool with the right plumber, and the job is easier than what you've gone through.
                              phoebe it is

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                              • #30
                                Re: Additional Line for K-380

                                Sounds to me like the City Main is blocked if the man-hole has standing water in it. Call the city yourself and have them come out before the sewer guy`s shows up. The water level in the man-hole should be blocking at least 3/4 of the sewer pipe in the bottom of the man hole if it`s blocked. Most City's will come right out if your nice to em

                                A sewer Tech should have looked in the man-hole a long time a go if he`s had enough cable ran out to reach the city mane? Once again I don't understand why he`s trying to run a video inspection till the line is clear of waste/water? I still say if he knew what he was doing he`d run a cable out and do a locate so he`d know where he was at. That`s what I do on a problem line anyway.

                                Rick
                                I`m old School, I still believe in the cable over the jetter. I have proved to myself that I can clean a line faster then a guy with a jetter and have a cleaner line when done. Don't get me wrong, I have seen times where my cutter passed small roots that I had to go back and cut but a jetter will do the same thing. If you ask me, there`s no better way to cut roots then with a cable. Sludge, soap and crud is something a jetter could do but most of the time roots caused the build-up in a main line.

                                I have a jetter but it`s to nice to put in a sewer
                                Last edited by All Clear Sewer; 03-30-2007, 10:57 AM.
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