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    Ok say I am out 75 ft. with with a 3/4" cable and spiral root saw. I get stuck,don't have camera.I do have cumalongs,though ! What are the do's and don'ts ,please. Also, should I let customers know up front, This can cost Them! Thanks' Tool
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    Re: Need some of Your tricks,please

    Did you send that spiral saw out on the first pass?
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    • #3
      Re: Need some of Your tricks,please

      Originally posted by toolaholic View Post
      Ok say I am out 75 ft. with with a 3/4" cable and spiral root saw. I get stuck,don't have camera.I do have cumalongs,though ! What are the do's and don'ts ,please. Also, should I let customers know up front, This can cost Them! Thanks' Tool

      Hopefully you cleared the line with a 3" 1/2 blade first, and then worked it a bit before you dove right in with the spiral blade.

      First, try soap and work the cable back and fourth, leaving just enough torque on the cable for it to pop free

      second, try the blue crystal root killer, if the line is clear, and your cable is just stuck, tell the customer not to run anything for preferably over night. keep in mind your cable will be nasty and possibly ruined when you get it back, due to the chemical, once you let it sit, try to work it free.

      Third and last, all else fails, don't wanna diug it up, pull it out with either your cumalong or hook it to the bumper of you van, your blade will break and chances are your cable possibly.

      I would explain everything to my customer before hand and explain to them you need ot get it out and it will cost more to do so. If you did things correctly on your part and got stuck, they obviously have a problem.

      Ask them if they have a history of stoppages, and tell them if they didn't have a sewer problem, you wouldn't have been there in the first place.

      Getting stuck is a horrible situation, but as long as you are honest and fair with your customer, they accept it well and you will have a customer for life.

      Is the sewer draining? To bad you do not have a camera to see if there is a chance you can get it out, you may have slid out of the pipe, into the dirt through and offset, you won't get it back then without digging it up.

      You may just be stuck in the 6" x 4" transition, got a big root ball and can't get back through the 4".

      good luck and let us know
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      • #4
        Re: Need some of Your tricks,please

        Give us some more info on the job..specifics...Rob pretty much asked all the right questions...we can help you better with more info...

        Hopefully you can find someone with a camera
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        • #5
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          You Guys are awsome. I'm not stuck ! I was for a few minutes last week. I kept kool, and ran it back and forth. This info will help in the future! I also read some good stuff in the old threads Thanks' Tool
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          • #6
            Re: Need some of Your tricks,please

            I think this is a hypothetical situation

            He just wants to pick your brain for knowledge

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            • #7
              Re: Need some of Your tricks,please

              Plumberscrack,Yes, I come here for knowledge. Most folks learn much here!
              Do You have a problem, with My getting some help from My friends? If so please explain.
              Thankyou ,Tool
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                Tool, so what happened, was it roots? Did you start with the spiral saw first?
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                • #9
                  Re: Need some of Your tricks,please

                  Originally posted by toolaholic View Post
                  Plumberscrack,Yes, I come here for knowledge. Most folks learn much here!
                  Do You have a problem, with My getting some help from My friends? If so please explain.
                  Thankyou ,Tool
                  Getum' Tool,You ornry cuss............

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                  • #10
                    Re: Need some of Your tricks,please

                    I went into the clean out with just a spear,that drained it all down fast, After several tries ,I finally got the 4" spiral saw past the sweep ,I'm guessing i entered the large main,Maybe 80 ft out ,when I got stuck! It was a scary 5 minutes! In the future ,I'll use the side cutter blades,as Robert suggests. Also keep some dish soap in the van ,Thank's Tool
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                    • #11
                      Re: Need some of Your tricks,please

                      Whats wrong with starting with a spiral blade first?
                      In a 4" line I always start with a 3" spiral root cutter.
                      If I cant pass a 3" in a 4" line or suspect the line is broke I explain the situation to the customer and let them know I'm willing to keep at it but if I get stuck it's at their expense. I never start with a spade/arrow head because if the line is broke an arrow head can exit the pipe and burrow into the ground.
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                      • #12
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                        I start with the straight leader because it's less invasive and harder to get stuck. It will also bring back pieces of the stoppages so you know what you're dealing with and what blade to use. The straight leader also does a great job on roots. With the k60, you can feel most problems with the pipe. If you start with the spiral blade and get stuck, I feel it's your fault and you were looking for a sewer line replacement.
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                        • #13
                          Re: Need some of Your tricks,please

                          But I've probably done over 500 lines this way. The only time I've seen a snake get stuck is when an arrow head was being used.
                          My feeling is if I can't pass a 3" head that is actually 2 3/4" through a 4" line, the line is in need of fixin anyway, and I don't look for line replacement because I don't do it, so I wouldn't make any money off it anyway.
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                            Re: Need some of Your tricks,please

                            I used to run a 3" or 4" double blades first time in, then I started getting stuck. So now, bare minimum is 3" 1/2 blade first.

                            I believe in playing it safe, nothing is worse then getting stuck in a line, especially if the customer is a first time customer
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                              I agree to the last few statements; play it safe, know what you're dealing with first.

                              You cannot go off of what people are telling you and taking it for fact.


                              I'd rather have a small attachment grabbing onto a large root system than a large attachment with no chance of releasing the roots.

                              You know what you're dealing with when the machine is pulling back tight and hard and you're praying it doesn't stop in reverse motion when it hits a turn of direction.

                              You all know that feeling and it's a time consuming event till you either get that attachment released because the root ball is huge, hope that you can go back to it and slowly break it down in smaller amounts to retrieve.

                              I'm going to have to take pain medication thinking of the last time of how much fun it was when I encountered it.
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