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  • #16
    Re: Just hit a rootball outa the park

    gt. i also use motorcycyle tires with 40'-50' of cable. pretty easy to see how much i've already put in.

    go to a golf shop and buy a score keeper clicker. even a baseball strike counter can work, but you need to use the strikes, balls and outs to figure out the numbers.

    now if you really want old, they use to have a 500 with a built in headlight

    have you heard that my rick-60 is getting outfitted with a mini waterproof video cam. it will show the rick-60 in action sound and all

    i still need to make the proper mount to get the proper angle to capture the action.
    phoebe it is

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    • #17
      Re: Just hit a rootball outa the park

      "even a baseball strike counter can work, but you need to use the strikes, balls and outs to figure out the numbers. "

      lol
      I can see it now

      "Hey Bob, how many feet you got there in that line"?
      "Oh I would say two balls three strikes and two outs".
      Last edited by DanLawrence; 05-08-2009, 12:24 PM.

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      • #18
        Re: Just hit a rootball outa the park

        No way I'm taking my golfers score keeper out of my bag unless I'm at the course. When you hit the %$#&^ ball as many times as I do, you have to have something to keep track.

        To keep track of sectionals I use pieces of corn arranged like an abacus.
        The last time I tried that on the course I was politely asked to leave and swiftly escorted out
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        • #19
          Re: Just hit a rootball outa the park

          Originally posted by Gene Bickford View Post
          No way I'm taking my golfers score keeper out of my bag unless I'm at the course. When you hit the %$#&^ ball as many times as I do, you have to have something to keep track.

          To keep track of sectionals I use pieces of corn arranged like an abacus.
          The last time I tried that on the course I was politely asked to leave and swiftly escorted out

          Where did the corn come from?

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          • #20
            Re: Just hit a rootball outa the park

            on a drum one should be able to mount a simple counter, on the guide tube in the drum. yes it would have to be stopped to read, or a wireless meter and a read out else were, but if it was rotating with the drum you would only be really working on in and out not the rpms of the cable.

            (a simple counter would be nice on a drum),

            with electronics (some what like a kitchen timer), one could even put in a pre set distance and it would beep when it reached that distance,
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            • #21
              Re: Just hit a rootball outa the park

              How about a small scanner like the ones they use in grocery stores and this one would be attached and very small with a small digital read out. each section of line would have a bar code so it could be read and it just adds them up for you. I know it sounds like allot of extra equipment and some what complicated but it's really not

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              • #22
                Re: Just hit a rootball outa the park

                Originally posted by DanLawrence View Post
                Where did the corn come from?
                Ever look in a septic tank?

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                • #23
                  Re: Just hit a rootball outa the park

                  I'm like rick. I gave up on the idea. Just didn't seem all that necessary especially with the availability of cameras and locaters. Besides, why do we want the customer to know EXACTLY where the problem is? It's essentially like giving them a partial location for free. I never tell them precisely where the problem areas are. That's where camera and line location charge come in. I can't recall how many times I've been asked "how far out are ya?" or "can you tell where the problem is?" Umm, no, not for free I can't.
                  I usually just point and say "over there somewhere"
                  Last edited by Twicepipes; 05-08-2009, 06:24 PM.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Just hit a rootball outa the park

                    Originally posted by PLUMBER RICK View Post
                    gt. i also use motorcycyle tires with 40'-50' of cable. pretty easy to see how much i've already put in.

                    go to a golf shop and buy a score keeper clicker. even a baseball strike counter can work, but you need to use the strikes, balls and outs to figure out the numbers.

                    now if you really want old, they use to have a 500 with a built in headlight

                    have you heard that my rick-60 is getting outfitted with a mini waterproof video cam. it will show the rick-60 in action sound and all

                    i still need to make the proper mount to get the proper angle to capture the action.
                    Clean Right had a light plus a telephone but the telephone only worked in town. But that light Idea wouldn't be bad mounted on the machine no extra plug in needed. The 500 was a factory work machine you could get it with an electric, gas, or air powered motor. Maybe we ought to get Ridgid off the stick and get them to bring back some of the old stuff. But I don't know maybe they still make the 500 it was a neat machine.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Just hit a rootball outa the park

                      i always keep track of my footage, cutters and cables. it's the only way to create a track record.

                      telling them you're in 67' is not giving them anything for free.

                      if a customer knows where 67' is and how deep it is, they don't need me or my camera and locator.

                      by documenting the problem in writing will actually make you the pro.

                      the non pro writes "snaked out sewer"

                      the pro writes the machine used, cable, cutter, distance cleared, distance run, what was removed, and when the last time you were out. plus recommendations based on track record, not sales pitches.

                      the biggest selling point is knowledge.

                      "snaked out sewer is not knowledge"

                      knowledge is details.

                      the biggest joke is watching someones video with no footage, no audio and no locations. the bigger joke is paying for a video inspection and not getting the video

                      rick.
                      phoebe it is

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                      • #26
                        Re: Just hit a rootball outa the park

                        in my small market if i charged extra to use the camera it would probably sit idle for a long while. my competition charges $$$$ for their camera and it mostly gets used on Govt jobs in pipe larger than i want to deal with.

                        the camera has become a very valuable tool. sometimes i'll push it down a wet line to "see"/locate the blockage before i even get a machine out of the van. after a line is cleared i'll run the camera to confirm how clean it is and locate any issues to show the client. now if a recording is necessary i charge for that.

                        i have no problem with the client watching as i run the camera. if there is a pie problem i'll identify it, mark it if practical, and show them what and where it is.

                        now the client is happy to know what the problem is/was and can take the steps to remedy it.

                        since i don't do plumbing i'm giving nothing away. BTW, the plumbers i work with don't do drain cleaning and i don't do plumbing. it's a win win for everybody

                        steve
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                        • #27
                          Re: Just hit a rootball outa the park

                          Originally posted by Twicepipes View Post
                          I'm like rick. I gave up on the idea. Just didn't seem all that necessary especially with the availability of cameras and locaters. Besides, why do we want the customer to know EXACTLY where the problem is? It's essentially like giving them a partial location for free. I never tell them precisely where the problem areas are. That's where camera and line location charge come in. I can't recall how many times I've been asked "how far out are ya?" or "can you tell where the problem is?" Umm, no, not for free I can't.
                          I usually just point and say "over there somewhere"
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                          • #28
                            Re: Just hit a rootball outa the park

                            Originally posted by PLUMBER RICK View Post
                            i always keep track of my footage, cutters and cables. it's the only way to create a track record.

                            telling them you're in 67' is not giving them anything for free.

                            if a customer knows where 67' is and how deep it is, they don't need me or my camera and locator.

                            by documenting the problem in writing will actually make you the pro.

                            the non pro writes "snaked out sewer"

                            the pro writes the machine used, cable, cutter, distance cleared, distance run, what was removed, and when the last time you were out. plus recommendations based on track record, not sales pitches.

                            the biggest selling point is knowledge.

                            "snaked out sewer is not knowledge"

                            knowledge is details.

                            the biggest joke is watching someones video with no footage, no audio and no locations. the bigger joke is paying for a video inspection and not getting the video

                            rick.
                            Thanks for the info. Rick as you just did all the leg work for either the customer or next guy that decides to undercut you when the time comes for a repair. When a customer hands your DETAILED invoice over, it's tantamount to a spy giving the enemy secrets. A PRO doesn't give knowledge and info away for free. A PRO documents his work for his own records. It's always nice when a customer shows me another company's detailed invoice. However, the type of machine and or cutter used is meaningless to me. I could care less weather a sawtooth-reverse-auger-dingle-dangle cutter was used. Too many times have I gone behind "pros" that were flat out wrong and I was able to get the line cleaned where they could not. (no offense to you of course).

                            Don't get the wrong impression. I don't sell things to people they don't need. But if someone wants an ACCURATE assessment, ie location of trouble area(s), depth, interior condition of pipe etc., It's gonna cost more. And I'm sure as heck not going to detail it in writing for free so the next guy can use it aginst me to get the work. If the customer wants an estimate, fine. There's a process involved for that but it ain't free. Even worse, some customers take the info you've GIVEN them and try to repair the problem on their own. Some are successful, some aren't. The ones that aren't make an absolute mess of things, like the guy who fell into septic tank or the numerous DIYer nighmares we've seen.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Just hit a rootball outa the park

                              when a customer hires me for a job and pays me for my work. they get the facts.

                              i've seen more sewer video tapes that were a complete waste of time and money.

                              what did the customer pay for? a silent movie with no locations and diagnosis.

                              they end up paying me for what they should have gotten in the first place.

                              i never worry about them shopping a price. i've learned you get what you pay for. fortunately my customers have learned that lesson too and that's why they call me and recommend me.

                              think of ourselves as doctors. a doctor is required to give the patient their medical records. the patient has paid for the doctors time and diagnosis.

                              i understand that if they don't want a sewer inspection, you can't give them a location or exact diagnosis. but you should be able to give them a detailed report of what they hired you for.

                              snake drain and cleared stoppage is not detailed.

                              today i was called to assist an on call plumber who was stuck on a drain for over 2 hours. 1 call was what it took to look up my notes from 2007 and tell him what i found then.

                              i still ended up going there and showing him the power of the impressionator. the k-60 did what the drum couldn't do. of course knowing what i found 2 years earlier was a real plus. funny part was his office who hired me 2 years earlier had my info, but couldn't access it as their data base was not current with this building.

                              would it have helped them? of course as the stoppage was exactly 119' just as it was 2 years ago. roots and wipes

                              by the way, he loved the impressionator and is going to ask for the k-60 in his van

                              rick.
                              phoebe it is

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