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    Did a tub today, it laughed at me for 20 min 'til I figured it out. Where drain meets overflow, insted of going straight down from overflow or straight back from drain, outlet 90'ed off sideways, then down to the trap. put snake in drain, it comes up overflow. Put snake in overflow, it comes out drain. Over and over... finally I watched thru overflow as put snake in from drain, and saw it. Bent tip of snake cable a little and fed it in from overflow, carefully snuck it out the right direction, then got caught as the massive wad of hair I pulled back from the trap wouldn't make the odd bend. Got free and puled it out in about 10 iterations of grabbing little bits of hair at a time.

    Anyone else ever seen one put in this way? First time I've run into it. I've pooh-poohed the micro elsewhere, but this was an instance it would have been MUCH better than my little mirror.

    -Alex
    This is my reminder to myself that no good will ever come from discussing politics or religion with anyone, ever.

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    I only see this configuration in condos. Usually the toilets will indicate the type of tub drain configuration by having a rear outlet waste.

    I'm doing a renovation in a condo with this same set up right now.
    The crappy part is you can only use pressed steel tubs for these, unless you build a deck for the cast iron tub to sit on, then you will need a ladder to get in.

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    • #3
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      huh

      This had a floor discharge toilet and (sure seemed like) an iron tub not on a deck... but it was a condo, which despite this being the first ive seen a tub drain like this is the type of unit where i do most of my work. Maybe they could use the iron tub here as this is a concrete building?
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      • #4
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        Sorry, I misunderstood your pipe configuration.

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        • #5
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          have yet to see that set up, but I will tell you what, we have Durham traps here, very hard to get past sometimes, then whats worse, is when the original installer used a flat tee, instead of a santee, so once you get past the trap, you have to rock your cable backwards, and drop down the barrel of the tee.

          Luckily, I can feel the difference now, I know when I hit these flat tee's and know what to dao, back in the day when I first started, it was a pain in the butt, I hated tub stoppages with a passion, now, for the most part, they are easy
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          • #6
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            Not familiar with the durham trap, unless it's another name for these 100 year old lead bottle things I see once in a rare while. I took one out of a tub, had to dig out a dirt crawlspace to get to it... utterly uncleanable without removing it. I should have saved it.
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            • #7
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              I'm not familiar with the term Durham trap either. I probably see one every day just didn't know what it's called.

              Flat tee? what's dat?

              I feel like such a newbie sometimes

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              • #8
                Re: Tough tub drain

                Originally posted by westcoastplumber View Post
                have yet to see that set up, but I will tell you what, we have Durham traps here, very hard to get past sometimes, then whats worse, is when the original installer used a flat tee, instead of a santee, so once you get past the trap, you have to rock your cable backwards, and drop down the barrel of the tee.

                Luckily, I can feel the difference now, I know when I hit these flat tee's and know what to dao, back in the day when I first started, it was a pain in the butt, I hated tub stoppages with a passion, now, for the most part, they are easy
                Ok im going to take a guess here, maybe ive been calling it wrong for the last 13yrs. Durham trap....same as DRUM TRAP???? am i calling it wrong

                Drum trap is the trap behind the tub that collects the solid waste. There is a screw down C/O on top that is almost impossible to take off if its never been off...Philadelphia is notorious for them....Very Very Very common to see drum traps around here....but not on the new houses..just the old...You have to take the lid off, get the cable to go backwards in the pipe.
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                • #9
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                  I don't think it's the same Gregg.

                  I've heard the Westies speak of a Durham 90 as well. Maybe when they finally get out of bed one will fill us in.

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                  • #10
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                    http://books.google.com/books?id=0n1...FSfs4C2CrzxHc8

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                    • #11
                      Re: Tough tub drain

                      Originally posted by plumberscrack View Post
                      I'm not familiar with the term Durham trap either. I probably see one every day just didn't know what it's called.

                      Flat tee? what's dat?

                      I feel like such a newbie sometimes
                      I'm thinking:

                      Durham = Fitting which has an ID matched to pipe ID for smooth flow. Also the fitting is tapped with 1/4" pitch, not 90° as with most fittings.

                      Flat TEE = not a DWV TEE


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                      • #12
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                        Originally posted by Ace Sewer View Post

                        Thanks for the link, you learn something new everyday...i love it....Never seen one of the those...maybe just a west coast thing..pretty sure they arent out here. Crack you would know better then i ...are they around this area????
                        The History of Sanitary Sewers Good site on the history of sanitary sewers and cleaners

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                        • #13
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                          That was a good link by Ace

                          Looks like a regular running trap to me.

                          Gregg I'm 90 miles from Philly and I have never worked on tub that had a drum trap.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Tough tub drain

                            Originally posted by plumberscrack View Post
                            That was a good link by Ace

                            Looks like a regular running trap to me.

                            Gregg I'm 90 miles from Philly and I have never worked on tub that had a drum trap.

                            I just meant, being an East Coast thing...I think out of all the tubs ive ever done maybe a handfull didnt have drum traps.
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                            • #15
                              Re: Tough tub drain

                              Originally posted by plumberscrack View Post
                              That was a good link by Ace

                              Looks like a regular running trap to me.

                              Gregg I'm 90 miles from Philly and I have never worked on tub that had a drum trap.
                              We see 'em all the time in Boston, don't use 'em any more but they were all the craze 40 + years ago.

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