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    In my mind you need 3 rigs to do a quick professional job.
    A bathroom rig, a sink and floor drain rig, and of course
    a main line rig. I've done this for a living before and I'm
    curious about why some guys are so worried about having a
    machine that does "everything".
    (I've seen posts on the site that suggest this)
    In my mind, to save the hassle of cable swapping and
    poor machine perfomance, just buy the three machines
    and save yourself the time and frustration in the name of saving a buck
    on an extra machine. In order to run a buisness you'll need
    at least the two. Why not buy the third and be complete?
    I can't see loading a mid range machine with 1/2" cable to run a main,
    or swapping cable down for a bathroom washbowl or tub.
    To me it's time consuming and un-professional.
    Tell me if need to be corrected on this line of thinking.

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    Re: So...I'm committing to a new buisness

    Originally posted by simplicity View Post
    In my mind you need 3 rigs to do a quick professional job.
    A bathroom rig, a sink and floor drain rig, and of course
    a main line rig. I've done this for a living before and I'm
    curious about why some guys are so worried about having a
    machine that does "everything".
    (I've seen posts on the site that suggest this)
    In my mind, to save the hassle of cable swapping and
    poor machine perfomance, just buy the three machines
    and save yourself the time and frustration in the name of saving a buck
    on an extra machine. In order to run a buisness you'll need
    at least the two. Why not buy the third and be complete?
    I can't see loading a mid range machine with 1/2" cable to run a main,
    or swapping cable down for a bathroom washbowl or tub.
    To me it's time consuming and un-professional.
    Tell me if need to be corrected on this line of thinking.
    simplicity, you need to read more than 1 day back

    the debate here is if you only had 1 machine, what would it be and why?

    we are having a roundup and a drain cleaning olympics. drum vrs. sectional.

    if i told you i have well over 20 machines (drum and sectional) and i like my k-60 the most, do you get my point

    there will be a quiz at the end of the week

    rick.
    phoebe it is

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    • #3
      Re: So...I'm committing to a new buisness

      Originally posted by simplicity View Post
      In my mind you need 3 rigs to do a quick professional job.
      A bathroom rig, a sink and floor drain rig, and of course
      a main line rig. I've done this for a living before and I'm
      curious about why some guys are so worried about having a
      machine that does "everything".
      (I've seen posts on the site that suggest this)
      In my mind, to save the hassle of cable swapping and
      poor machine perfomance, just buy the three machines
      and save yourself the time and frustration in the name of saving a buck
      on an extra machine. In order to run a buisness you'll need
      at least the two. Why not buy the third and be complete?
      I can't see loading a mid range machine with 1/2" cable to run a main,
      or swapping cable down for a bathroom washbowl or tub.
      To me it's time consuming and un-professional.
      Tell me if need to be corrected on this line of thinking.
      I do not think anyone on the forum is committed to one rig. I just think we like to argue over which is the best overall machine. I myself have Over a dozen different drain cleaning machines. Currently I carry about four on my truck(although I have a large 14' step van) and still have room to spare.

      I think as professionals we all can see the value in using different machines. I have a large drum machine for ground level C/O. I recently bought a new sectional to go on roofs with . After using the sectional I will never break down my mainline machine to carry on a roof again. However at this point I am still using my drum machine for mainline C/O. Depending on the drain and the issues it has I might use the sectional/Drum.

      When I started drain cleaning over a decade ago I had two machines with multiple drums. I really could still clean lines with only two machines I prefer to have multiple choices depending on the drain/history.
      THE GLASS IS ALWAYS HALF FULL

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        Re: So...I'm committing to a new buisness

        Originally posted by PLUMBER RICK View Post
        simplicity, you need to read more than 1 day back

        the debate here is if you only had 1 machine, what would it be and why?

        we are having a roundup and a drain cleaning olympics. drum vrs. sectional.

        if i told you i have well over 20 machines (drum and sectional) and i like my k-60 the most, do you get my point

        there will be a quiz at the end of the week

        rick.
        I can tell that you know the buisness.
        I really want to get down to the basics to make
        a buisness "fly" as it were.
        It's a venture my brother and I have talked about for years,
        and now actually getting serious about.
        We plan on having 2 outfitted vans covering the Milwaukie/Madison
        area and points north.
        We're both sick of our jobs.
        He's a truck driver and I'm a machinist.
        We were thinking it's a simple obtainable buisness
        that we both have a background in.
        Lets face it;
        It's a job that nobody wants to do and relatively cheap start-up
        costs as far as buinesses go.

        When it comes to your quiz............

        S++T flows downhill :twofinger2:
        Last edited by simplicity; 03-05-2008, 02:57 AM.

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        • #5
          Re: So...I'm committing to a new buisness

          Originally posted by simplicity View Post
          I can tell that you know the buisness.
          I really want to get down to the basics to make
          a buisness "fly" as it were.
          It's a venture my brother and I have talked about for years,
          and now actually getting serious about.
          We plan on having 2 outfitted vans covering the Milwaukie/Madison
          area and points north.
          We're both sick of our jobs.
          He's a truck driver and I'm a machinist.
          We were thinking it's a simple obtainable buisness
          that we both have a background in.
          Lets face it;
          It's a job that nobody wants to do and relatively cheap start-up
          costs as far as buinesses go.

          When it comes to your quiz............

          S++T flows downhill :twofinger2:

          Great way to start out in the forum,:twofinger2: to.
          THE GLASS IS ALWAYS HALF FULL

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          • #6
            Re: So...I'm committing to a new buisness

            Originally posted by simplicity
            Nothing personal.........
            Just trying to have a sense of humor..Sorry
            No problem , just be carefull with these little smiley faces as they can be used to really get across a point. Anyhowto the forum. I hope you enjoy it here and find it usefull for your venture. Oh by the way I was only f......g with you.
            THE GLASS IS ALWAYS HALF FULL

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            • #7
              Re: So...I'm committing to a new buisness

              Well I can say I wish I had found this forum sooner as I have spent money on snakes that I no longer use or fight with anymore. The K60 is a great small package, it can go on roofs and into small crawl spaces. I think it does the work of 2 snakes and takes up little room in my van. I still use my big drum machine for mains but now I may start trying the k60 first just to see how it does. I will continue to use my big machine for the tough stuff. I was at first against the little toy looking thing but now it has it's place in my van. Still hate my little electric jetter though And I traded in my general sink snake for the Ridgid k39-af and it was a great move the autofeed kicks *** and handles 50ft of cable. Another snake of mine gets retired
              Last edited by Cuda; 03-05-2008, 04:25 AM.
              Seattle Drain Service

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              • #8
                Re: So...I'm committing to a new buisness

                Originally posted by Crappy days View Post
                No problem , just be carefull with these little smiley faces as they can be used to really get across a point. Anyhowto the forum. I hope you enjoy it here and find it usefull for your venture. Oh by the way I was only f......g with you.
                I know it's a different economic climate out there,
                but what's the going rate for main lines, tubs, and kitchen sinks ?

                Around here it's about $85 for a main plus $50 for additional hourly labor,
                and $45 for interior lines plus $30 for additional hourly labor.
                (plus parts of course if needed)

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                • #9
                  Re: So...I'm committing to a new buisness

                  Yea there are big differances in prices around the country, in Seattle the low main rate is $200 and that's low, inside sinks and tubs min. is $100 no camera included or extra hard lines at these prices.
                  Seattle Drain Service

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                  • #10
                    Re: So...I'm committing to a new buisness

                    Originally posted by simplicity View Post
                    I know it's a different economic climate out there,
                    but what's the going rate for main lines, tubs, and kitchen sinks ?

                    Around here it's about $85 for a main plus $50 for additional hourly labor,
                    and $45 for interior lines plus $30 for additional hourly labor.
                    (plus parts of course if needed)
                    What kind of experience do you have with drain cleaning?

                    Its sounds like you know business, but what about drain cleaning?

                    Starting a drain cleaning business is fine, but if youve never ran a machine before, your going to be in way over your head

                    As far as the different machines. Crappy and Rick said it perfect.
                    The History of Sanitary Sewers Good site on the history of sanitary sewers and cleaners

                    www.thedrainsquad.net Our website

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                    • #11
                      Re: So...I'm committing to a new buisness

                      Originally posted by Crappy days View Post
                      No problem , just be carefull with these little smiley faces as they can be used to really get across a point. Anyhowto the forum. I hope you enjoy it here and find it usefull for your venture. Oh by the way I was only f......g with you.
                      Originally posted by Drain Medic View Post
                      What kind of experience do you have with drain cleaning?

                      Its sounds like you know business, but what about drain cleaning?

                      Starting a drain cleaning business is fine, but if youve never ran a machine before, your going to be in way over your head

                      As far as the different machines. Crappy and Rick said it perfect.
                      It has been a while, but I did it for a living right out of high
                      school. I posted more details in another Topic/thread.

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                      • #12
                        Re: So...I'm committing to a new buisness

                        Originally posted by simplicity View Post
                        It has been a while, but I did it for a living right out of high
                        school. I posted more details in another Topic/thread.

                        Ya sorry, i saw that. I didnt read your posts in order
                        The History of Sanitary Sewers Good site on the history of sanitary sewers and cleaners

                        www.thedrainsquad.net Our website

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                        • #13
                          Re: So...I'm committing to a new buisness

                          It makes a big difference on where you live and what you can charge. I see you live in Wisconsin and here in Green Bay a main line cleaning is $95 while sinks and tubs are $75.Most customers want a flat rate so that is what they get. As for machines I use a K-750,k-380 & k-39 on the k-750 I use a 3/4" Duracable with a flex 2' leader. I have to give Rick the credit for my change in cable as before I used Ridgid 5/8 which was way to light for the tought jobs. Rick loves the K60 but where he works most cleanouts are outside but here 99% are in the basement and half the time the basements are finnished so not sure how easy it would be to keep every thing clean?

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                          • #14
                            Re: So...I'm committing to a new buisness

                            Originally posted by wizzy View Post
                            It makes a big difference on where you live and what you can charge. I see you live in Wisconsin and here in Green Bay a main line cleaning is $95 while sinks and tubs are $75.Most customers want a flat rate so that is what they get. As for machines I use a K-750,k-380 & k-39 on the k-750 I use a 3/4" Duracable with a flex 2' leader. I have to give Rick the credit for my change in cable as before I used Ridgid 5/8 which was way to light for the tought jobs. Rick loves the K60 but where he works most cleanouts are outside but here 99% are in the basement and half the time the basements are finnished so not sure how easy it would be to keep every thing clean?
                            When it comes to your machines, I concurr.
                            I found a deal on a 380/750 package with extras for $2100
                            What's the retail on these things?
                            That's ultimateley what I was looking for when I found this site.

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                            • #15
                              Re: So...I'm committing to a new buisness

                              i have a K-39, k-50, & K-75 in my van. i'll be getting a K-60 (for those hard to get to spots) and a camera system this year

                              steve
                              In the never ending struggle to keep the water flowing.... The Poo Poo Cowboy rides again!!!

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