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    I had to clean a 60 foot 4" cast iron line the building drain was hung and full of water and the customer said it was draing slowly and had not used water for several hours. When I started to remove the c.o. plug it started to drip and then decided to drill out a drain hole and just bail out the water. I wanted to know what you would opt to do? and by the way how you do start a poll?

  • #2
    Re: Pull a toilet or drill a drain hole in a c.o. plug?

    Thats the way I do it. I usually use a step drill bit attached to a cordless drill. This way I can keep enlarging the hole If I have to. I also try to have the wet dry vac handy. Saves you from cleaning up a mess or toteing pails of waste water .

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    • #3
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      on this call i was also unable to get all of the roots out I had a couple hanging down that my auger and spiral saw would just go right by. Is their a better head I could have used to get these last couple of roots? I used the K1500 for this job.

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      • #4
        Re: Pull a toilet or drill a drain hole in a c.o. plug?

        you need to make the call and do the one that is most efficent and least damaging.

        for me i would just go on the roof with my k-60 and down a 4'' roof vent.

        as far as cutting the last of the roots, sounds like you used a camera to see them. then you know the footage and can match up the footage with the sectional lengths. concentrate on them at these spots. i find that a spiral root saw does a good job and so does a set of 4'' pear cutters. knowing the eact footage is the trick to cleaning the line. it's like fishing, if you know where the fish are, you'll get the bites

        rick.
        phoebe it is

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        • #5
          Re: Pull a toilet or drill a drain hole in a c.o. plug?

          Rick is this a time were you would offer the customer to come back and run a jetter. ie I have got your drain opened up and as many roots out as I can with k1500 and could return and jet and camera the line to do a better job. And no i did not have a camera These roots were only eight feet out. I guess mabe the patch of roots that were left was just too small?

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          • #6
            Re: Pull a toilet or drill a drain hole in a c.o. plug?

            Im with RICK.....The roof vent is the way to go for me!

            plus you can charge more to go though a roof vent!

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            • #7
              Re: Pull a toilet or drill a drain hole in a c.o. plug?

              I know in California you all do not see much snow. But those of you that say roof vent, what do you do when the roof is full of snow? Also have you ever run into a roof that is in poor shape, and would not support your weight?

              You did the right thing drilling the hole. I run into lots of overhead sewers around here, you just need to have a large barrel or garbage can to store the waste water in till you get the line open. Now as for cutters what kind of machine are you running a drum or a sectional? If a drum machine the pear shaped cutters work really well, if a sectional the C shaped cutters and they make an expanding cutter that goes from 4" to 6" it works well as long as you have a straight access to the sewer like an overhead clean out.
              Ron Hasil Lic #058-160417
              A-Archer Sewer & Plumbing specializing in:
              Tankless Water Heaters | Drain and Sewer Cleaning
              Sump and Ejector Pumps | Backflow RPZ Testing

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              • #8
                Re: Pull a toilet or drill a drain hole in a c.o. plug?

                Is a 3'' head realy going to be able to grab some small patches of roots in a 4'' building sewar? I have no jetter experance but would not using a jetter be sure fire way to finish up? I just did not like leaving the job like that and now wounder about other jobs since i am using a camera to check out the cleaning job? Or am I just over thinking this. The machine was Ridgid K-1500 Thanks for all your post guys

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                • #9
                  Re: Pull a toilet or drill a drain hole in a c.o. plug?

                  I would have drilled the hole also. Heck, I never rod from the roof...

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                  • #10
                    Re: Pull a toilet or drill a drain hole in a c.o. plug?

                    well if it was up to me I would have had the k-60 on the truck about 2 days after joing this forum and I have done some roof cleanings before and used rope to pull a k-50 and cables. the job went very fast its like cleaning from an outside c.o. I am just worried about these few high hanging roots I can't get and wanted to see it the drain experts on the forum do drill out clean outs. I like this forum because learn many diffrent angle to the same job which is cool. Hey I have another one for you guys As a plumber you call the shots the customer is not going to tell you which machine to use and how many times you are going to run the cable down the line or even which head you should use. so why do we as or even think we are selling a "cam inspection" after we clean the line Its just another tool in the box right. I mean if the customer walked up to you and said No put that k-60 back in your truck and use your k-50 and charge me less you would laugh and tell them to rent their own machine and go on to the next job. I sure this has never happened but why do we think of it like this why do we ask when we are the pro here right? and again thanks for the post you guys are great

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                    • #11
                      Re: Pull a toilet or drill a drain hole in a c.o. plug?

                      WHAT AM I MISSING ?? Why not ROOTX ? Isn't this the perfect senario in 6 weeks ????
                      Call Dan, He'll chime in I hope Tool
                      I can build anything You want , if you draw a picture of it , on the back of a big enough check .

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                      • #12
                        Re: Pull a toilet or drill a drain hole in a c.o. plug?

                        I would have pulled the toilet, instead of drilling holes, and if there are roots at 8 feet i would be willing to bet there are more throughout other joints in the pipe, a Camera and a jetter thast is big enough to cut the roots is what I would do !

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                        • #13
                          Re: Pull a toilet or drill a drain hole in a c.o. plug?

                          What did drain men do before jetters ? Not everyone owns one!
                          I can build anything You want , if you draw a picture of it , on the back of a big enough check .

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                          • #14
                            Re: Pull a toilet or drill a drain hole in a c.o. plug?

                            i thought everyone had one
                            the only dumb question is the one that is not asked!

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                            • #15
                              Re: Pull a toilet or drill a drain hole in a c.o. plug?

                              keep in mind that running a camera is not free. even if you include it in your job, the customer ultimately has paid for its use.

                              every time you go to the dr, do they run test and send you for x-rays of course not.

                              having roots is not out of the ordinary. if i ran a camera into every job i go to, 95% of them would show roots. rots are not the end of the world. knowing how to cut and control them is what makes me the pro and the others amateurs.

                              i go by their track record and the potential for damage if it stops up. if there is no potential for damage, but just an inconvenience, then a regular snaking when the time comes. if it can cause damage and more than an inconvenience, then a more through cleaning with a camera to document would be better. knowing the total length of the line and the problem areas is the best way to stay on top of the issue.

                              just because my customers can afford it, doesn't mean i need t get rich off of them. we discuss their needs and document the cleanings. i can look back at my records for the last 10 years of every job i've done in a matter of seconds from my laptop in the truck. i know the machine, cleanout location, cable, cutters, distance, findings, and recommendations. same as a doctor can by looking at your medical records.

                              rick.
                              phoebe it is

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