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    I'd like to see a urinal auger with open-wind cable. I'm sure this would give more ease negotiating the trap and more torque on calcium build-up. I'm basing this on the K-50 with open-wind 5/8" cable. I'm sure that would be the perfect cable for a toilet auger. Urinal Auger probably slightly smaller diameter. Smaller diameter tight-wind hollow or inner-core isn't the answer. I can fly down a toilet with 5/8 and a PVC guide pipe with 45 degree fitting on the end. Now if you slip and put a cable mark in the toilet. Use a glass etching acid. It will remove cable marks instantly like magic (even underwater).
    If you can't relate you've probably not tried a K-50.
    Best to all, Dennis.....

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    Re: Urinal Augers

    Never heard of the glass etching acid before,thanks I'll get some on the truck.Already have a pumice stone.
    What kind of luck are you having on a three inch stoppage with a head that can negotiate an integral trap of a toilet.
    I guess one could catch the occasional baby wipe with a drop head bulb.
    Would one have many return calls over a short period of time because a larger head was needed.

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      Re: Urinal Augers

      speaking of augers. i tried to auger one the other day. no dice. the head came back! then i tried plungering. nothing going.... then i tried to use the camera with the "special" Josh thing like a "t" . no dice either.
      i pull the tolite and low and behold it is packed hard like a rock poo! i ended up shop vacing it and tossing the vac (Dunbars tip) and charged them for a new one. it was the worst i have ever seen. i have seen everything else in tolite's but the way this one was shapped? at the top of the trap it had a flat shelf and the same at the bottom. it was stamped UI and looked very old i'd say 1976? no date just a guess? ask Utah
      the only dumb question is the one that is not asked!

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        Re: Urinal Augers

        Originally posted by drtyhands View Post
        Never heard of the glass etching acid before,thanks I'll get some on the truck.Already have a pumice stone.
        It does work like magic but I never leave it on for more than a couple seconds. I dip a small chemical (short rather stiff bristle) brush in etch acid. As soon as cable marks are gone, I flush. I'm sure it would etch the surface if left on.
        Here's what I use: http://www.midwestchemicals.com/Inde...strialCoatings
        Best to call them I think. Ask for XXX etch if you want to try what I use.

        Try it on a old bowl if you have. It works for me but I don't want to cause anybody problems either.

        Have a good day, Dennis...

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          Re: Urinal Augers

          Originally posted by drtyhands View Post
          What kind of luck are you having on a three inch stoppage with a head that can negotiate an integral trap of a toilet.
          I don't use a tool. I use a 2ft. length of cable bent at a 45 degree angle 3 inches from the end. I also open up the end to form a slight hook. The 5/8" (C-8) is not flexible enough at ends. The cable is wound tighter on the end than center. Using reverse will get you through the trap quicker. I know you shouldn't use reverse and I only use it when I feel it's a must. The bent cable spinning at 400 RPM will usually get a short run 3" pipe cleared. If a object is flopping around in the trap we know the toilet has to be pulled but at least the bowl is clean. The main reason I mentioned any of this because I think hand augers could be made to work better (somehow).
          Urinals are the tuff ones. On a urinal hand auger I'll bend the bulb end about 3/4" back. (I actually put the bend in the bulb sometimes).
          The stories, the stuff we try on drains could go on forever....... Dennis..

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            Re: Urinal Augers

            Originally posted by Jerad View Post
            speaking of augers. i tried to auger one the other day. no dice. the head came back!
            Yes Sir. I hate to say it but same story with my Ridgid toilet auger.

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              Re: Urinal Augers

              Originally posted by Dennis/Ohio View Post
              I don't use a tool. I use a 2ft. length of cable bent at a 45 degree angle 3 inches from the end. I also open up the end to form a slight hook. The 5/8" (C-8) is not flexible enough at ends. The cable is wound tighter on the end than center. Using reverse will get you through the trap quicker. I know you shouldn't use reverse and I only use it when I feel it's a must. The bent cable spinning at 400 RPM will usually get a short run 3" pipe cleared. If a object is flopping around in the trap we know the toilet has to be pulled but at least the bowl is clean. The main reason I mentioned any of this because I think hand augers could be made to work better (somehow).
              Urinals are the tuff ones. On a urinal hand auger I'll bend the bulb end about 3/4" back. (I actually put the bend in the bulb sometimes).
              The stories, the stuff we try on drains could go on forever....... Dennis..
              dennis, this is the same exact method i use on my k-60 c-10 7/8'' cable reverse auger. i do run it in reverse as it's the only way that the open end auger will grab. there have been no negative affects with my running in reverse with the 7/8'' cable even with cutting roots.

              i;ve used the k-50 on wipes through a toilet in the past and also had great results with the factory auger end while running over 35' from a second floor toilet.

              glad to see you too have experimented with good results, running the cable through a toilet.

              apply the same technique to the 7/8'' cable and you'll find you too have the secret weapon reverse auger i talk about

              rick.
              phoebe it is

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                Re: Urinal Augers

                Originally posted by PLUMBER RICK View Post
                dennis, this is the same exact method i use on my k-60 c-10 7/8'' cable reverse auger. i do run it in reverse as it's the only way that the open end auger will grab. there have been no negative affects with my running in reverse with the 7/8'' cable even with cutting roots.
                rick.
                I've had some negative effects. Had my K-1500 (C-11) flip the cable 3 times in a 6" pipe. Lateral left house 4" then transitioned to 6". 3ft sections of clay with roots every 3ft. I was using forward & reverse at each joint. I've had a batch of roots on C-cutter carry to the next joint and smear roots and not cut that batch. I was going forward and reverse trying to keep cutter cleaner.
                When I was trying to get back out I had a triple-flip in 4". I had water flow so I could see it plainly with camera. The story gets very long at this point. Screwed a reverse auger (3ft length of broken cable) into cable knot & connected to electric hoist. 7 hours later, destroyed 3 sections of C-11, free at last. I'm not so brave anymore.
                I've flipped cable many times but that was the clincher. I wouldn't want to see a less experienced cleaner have to deal with that one. It was probably 2 hours to build & setup the jig to support the hoist.
                Best Wishes, Dennis....

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