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    the subject came up last week about getting a k-50 5/8'' sectional cable through a 1.5'' cast iron/ durham trap. so today i had just that issue.

    1950's house with original shower drain 1.5'' durham trap. k-39 and 5/16'' cable just kept bouncing off in the 3' range. i was through the trap, but couldn't get through the stoppage

    so i either go on the roof with the k-50, or try to get past the trap and attack the stoppage. tried the straight auger, but between the male/ female coupling, the cable was just too stiff to pass the trap. so i did like a few others have/ saysflushable and cut off the first few inches of the male coupling. heated the end cable and bent it out to form the auger cutter. the hook allowed the cable to grab as long as i running in reverse rotation.

    just like it's big brother the k-60 and my secret weapon reverse auger, the k-50 reverse auger did exactly what it was suppose to do.
    it navigated the trap and cleared the stoppage. for kicks i added another section and continued through the trap with the male/ female connection.

    the real trick was the fact that the cable had passed the trap and running in reverse not only corkscrews the cable to act as a cutter, but it self feeds into the drain pulling out was also easy as i pulled by hand and when the double coupling hit the trap, i put in in forward rotation to auto feed through the trap. pulling out a ponytail of hair

    as always pictures are included

    so once again the sectional cables can do everything.

    rick.



    5/8'' sectional cable with the end cut off and a slight hook that i heated and bent out. this is a reverse auger as the wind grabs in the reverse motor direction.



    2 sections of 5/8'' cable through the 1.5'' durham trap.




    part of the hair stoppage that affected the shower and double lav sinks.
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    Last edited by PLUMBER RICK; 09-23-2010, 11:25 PM.
    phoebe it is

  • #2
    Re: k-50 reverse auger

    Thanks for taking the time to post this thread. I have had a real hard time with old 1.5 durham traps. I can't wait to try this out!

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    • #3
      Re: k-50 reverse auger

      justin, cut the male end off so you can still connect more sections. see if you have a section with a weak male coupler spring. that's the one to sacrafice.

      while a k-39/45 is a smaller cable, the 5/8'' with clutch control will get through.

      rick.
      phoebe it is

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      • #4
        Re: k-50 reverse auger

        I gave 2 k-50's away after I bought my k-60..Excellent idea Rick .I have a spare cable in storage.Guess what I am doing with that? Thanks for the pictures.I am going to make 2 (1) in 5/8" and (1) in 7/8" ..Then bring it on !
        ''Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" Benjamin Franklin

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        • #5
          Re: k-50 reverse auger

          Sacrificed my spare cable. Let me know what you think ..
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          ''Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" Benjamin Franklin

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          • #6
            Re: k-50 reverse auger

            I like your creative metalwork Rick, but I just don't get all of the hoopla about your reverse auger.


            J.C.

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            • #7
              Re: k-50 reverse auger

              Originally posted by OLD1 View Post
              Sacrificed my spare cable. Let me know what you think ..
              Pull the hook out a little and then heat treat.

              Mark
              "Somewhere a Village is Missing Twelve Idiots!" - Casey Anthony

              I never lost a cent on the jobs I didn't get!

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              • #8
                Re: k-50 reverse auger

                just as mark mentioned

                the hook should be heated and pulled out a little beyond the 5/8'' diameter wind. this is what will grab. fashion it after the ridgid auger.

                heat it and bend it out. then reheat just enough to temper it.

                remember the key is to run the machine in reverse to act as a corkscrew. this will also cause it to auto feed, especially in a reverse comby as the open wind will thread its way in.

                a nice little 45 bend will allow it to scrape the pipe walls.

                tell me how you love them when you get that problem stoppage.

                rick.
                phoebe it is

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                • #9
                  Re: k-50 reverse auger

                  That little trick made a great machine even better. Thanks for the pictures

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                  • #10
                    Re: k-50 reverse auger

                    don't know why everyone is scared of running in reverse. i've never broken a sectional cable either forward or reverse. the reverse auger is my #1 go to cable when i don't have full access or nothing else will clear the drain.

                    the auger is basically 7' 3'' long and therefore doesn't put strees on the welded coupling. same with the 7/8'' cable except that is 14'6''. we've all had issues with the factory 6'' long auger breaking at the weld. the reverse auger is bullet proof and time tested on over 100 drains from 1.5''-4''.

                    not telling you to sacrifice a new cable, but a cable that might have a bad coupler is a good choice.

                    rick.
                    phoebe it is

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                    • #11
                      Re: k-50 reverse auger

                      i don't use 5/8" cable. use a k-38. but if i did i would have no problem using a new cable. rick's right, i run k-60 in reverse all the time. i have been toying with a basket of c-8 cable. breid...................

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                      • #12
                        Re: k-50 reverse auger

                        Rick, Why wouldn't ridgid manuf. a short leader wound backwards that would do this job, for this and other machines?? I'd buy it !!!!
                        I can build anything You want , if you draw a picture of it , on the back of a big enough check .

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                        • #13
                          Re: k-50 reverse auger

                          They don't recommend running the machine in reverse..Why ?
                          ''Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" Benjamin Franklin

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                          • #14
                            Re: k-50 reverse auger

                            Originally posted by OLD1 View Post
                            They don't recommend running the machine in reverse..Why ?
                            You could theoretically unwind the cable in a jam. Still see zero reason to go through the process to create a reverse auger.

                            Still reading though.


                            J.C.

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                            • #15
                              Re: k-50 reverse auger

                              Originally posted by JCsPlumbing View Post
                              You could theoretically unwind the cable in a jam. Still see zero reason to go through the process to create a reverse auger.

                              Still reading though.


                              J.C.
                              jc. the reason why the reverse auger is different than the factory auger is many.

                              first off the wire gauge on the cable is much heavier than of a factory auger.

                              the cable is either a 7' 6'' 5/8'' made into a 7' 2'' auger, with the lack of a coupling male/ female at the leading edge, this gets through the tight turns and traps. after the initial cable, the couplings will typically follow.

                              the factory auger has a tendency to break off at the weld the reverse auger is time tested and proven on some of my toughest stoppages. never broke a cable or reverse auger. broke many factory augers

                              the 7/8'' reverse auger is 14' 6'' roughly. same basic principal as the 5/8''.

                              and another bonus is when the cable is running in reverse, the cable autofeeds into the drain. when run forward rotation, it retrieves.

                              plus you can put a good bend/ 45 on the end and have it scrape larger pipe through a smaller opening. it will spring back to it's form once the pipe enlarges.

                              once you try it, you'll kick yourself why you waited so long.

                              rick.
                              Last edited by PLUMBER RICK; 09-28-2010, 11:04 AM.
                              phoebe it is

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