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Seen some of those before. Some of those are so unbelievable. I'd like to see the people attached to that work and their backgrounds. We might be surprised to find out that some are engineers, physicians, etc.
I have to confess though, I have said, "It's the framers problem..."
But have always made sure they knew if I had butchered something before and after it was done. Always taken care of it.
It amazes me the work that went into some of these concoctions. It seems all most easier if they would have done it properly.
Ah yes Dan, but you make the assumption that they know how it is supposed to be done, or even how it's SUPPOSED to look. My guess is most of these guys never even had a single thought concerning a pipe, wire or duct before those projects were attempted....."I can do it myself, that's easy"