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  • #16
    Re: Inspector problems

    Originally posted by MR.FUDD View Post
    I talked to an electrical inspector at a party last night who has inspected these systems before.

    He said the new electrical inspector is just trying to impose his personal feelings on how it should be wired. I agree, he needs to cite code #'s

    He said because it is a dedicated circuit & below grade it does not need GFCI protection. Not true unless it's considered a crawl space. 210.8(a)(3) says it's required

    He also said the reason the GFCI trips is because of the power surge when the motor 1st turns on.
    The reason GFCI's trip is because the line and neut current does not match eg. leaking current to ground

    The biggest problem with electrical connections in a septic tank riser is sewer gas, because it is very corrosive. and possibly methane gas (explosive)

    On my previous post I posted a link to a picture of a connection that is like the one the manufacture requires us the use.Which meets the definition of a receptacle

    The only difference is the male plug is made onto the wire coming out of the motor. Then we connect our wire the female connector.

    There is no manufacture name or #'s on the plug or connector ,but it is like a Leviton watertight.

    I have seen other brand systems that they use a junction box & wire nuts to make the connection in the riser & within a year the connection has failed.
    He may say its fine, but if he cant give you a exception to 210.8(a)(3) the GFCI is required.

    Good luck
    Last edited by johncameron; 07-07-2013, 08:55 PM. Reason: I cant spell

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    • #17
      Re: Inspector problems

      Met with the head electrical insp. on Mon. & I got everything approved. He reasons for approving were:
      1) Installed according to manufactures instructions.
      2) Installed below grade.
      3) Not readily accessible.
      4) System is NSF certified.

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      • #18
        Re: Inspector problems

        Originally posted by johncameron View Post
        He may say its fine, but if he cant give you a exception to 210.8(a)(3) the GFCI is required.

        Good luck
        An outdoor outlet that falls under that code is one that at grade to 6'-6" above grade or platform such as a deck.

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        • #19
          Re: Inspector problems

          Originally posted by MR.FUDD View Post
          An outdoor outlet that falls under that code is one that at grade to 6'-6" above grade or platform such as a deck.
          Not true. "Per 210.8(A)(3), all 15A and 20A, 125V receptacles outside of a dwelling unit, including receptacles installed under the eaves of roofs, shall be GFCI-protected. The only exception to this rule is that GFCI protection is not required for fixed electric snow melting or de-icing equipment receptacles that are not readily accessible and are supplied by a dedicated branch circuit in accordance with 426.28."
          http://ecmweb.com/code-basics/nec-re...errupters-gfci

          "Every outdoor receptacle at a house needs to be GFCI protected, unless it is for snow or deicing."
          http://www.electriciantalk.com/f2/210-8-3-pumps-35194/

          Unless he can cite a local code amendment to 210.8(A)(3), he is just plain wrong.
          The NEC superceeds what a manufacture instructions say.

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          • #20
            Re: Inspector problems

            Originally posted by MR.FUDD View Post
            An outdoor outlet that falls under that code is one that at grade to 6'-6" above grade or platform such as a deck.
            Originally posted by MR.FUDD View Post
            An outdoor outlet that falls under that code is one that at grade to 6'-6" above grade or platform such as a deck.
            Not true. "Per 210.8(A)(3), all 15A and 20A, 125V receptacles outside of a dwelling unit, including receptacles installed under the eaves of roofs, shall be GFCI-protected. The only exception to this rule is that GFCI protection is not required for fixed electric snow melting or de-icing equipment receptacles that are not readily accessible and are supplied by a dedicated branch circuit in accordance with 426.28."
            http://ecmweb.com/code-basics/nec-re...errupters-gfci

            "Every outdoor receptacle at a house needs to be GFCI protected, unless it is for snow or deicing."
            http://www.electriciantalk.com/f2/210-8-3-pumps-35194/

            Unless he can cite a local code amendment to 210.8(A)(3), he is just plain wrong.
            The NEC superceeds what a manufacture instructions say.

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            • #21
              Re: Inspector problems

              Originally posted by johncameron View Post
              Not true. "Per 210.8(A)(3), all 15A and 20A, 125V receptacles outside of a dwelling unit, including receptacles installed under the eaves of roofs, shall be GFCI-protected. The only exception to this rule is that GFCI protection is not required for fixed electric snow melting or de-icing equipment receptacles that are not readily accessible and are supplied by a dedicated branch circuit in accordance with 426.28."
              http://ecmweb.com/code-basics/nec-re...errupters-gfci

              "Every outdoor receptacle at a house needs to be GFCI protected, unless it is for snow or deicing."
              http://www.electriciantalk.com/f2/210-8-3-pumps-35194/

              Unless he can cite a local code amendment to 210.8(A)(3), he is just plain wrong.
              The NEC superceeds what a manufacture instructions say.
              Let's try this again. The connection is at least 24" below grade & the wire is run from the house to the septic tank under ground in conduit. The connection is in the riser which the lid is secured with (8) #2 square head screws. Therefore you would use table 300.5 not 210.8(A)(3).

              The example you used from electriciantalk is for a lift pump in a pump chamber. In that situation the outlet is above ground, not below.

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              • #22
                Re: Inspector problems

                Originally posted by johncameron View Post
                Not true. "Per 210.8(A)(3), all 15A and 20A, 125V receptacles outside of a dwelling unit, including receptacles installed under the eaves of roofs, shall be GFCI-protected. The only exception to this rule is that GFCI protection is not required for fixed electric snow melting or de-icing equipment receptacles that are not readily accessible and are supplied by a dedicated branch circuit in accordance with 426.28."
                http://ecmweb.com/code-basics/nec-re...errupters-gfci

                "Every outdoor receptacle at a house needs to be GFCI protected, unless it is for snow or deicing."
                http://www.electriciantalk.com/f2/210-8-3-pumps-35194/

                Unless he can cite a local code amendment to 210.8(A)(3), he is just plain wrong.
                The NEC superceeds what a manufacture instructions say.
                Let's try this again. The connection is at least 24" below grade & the wire is run from the house to the septic tank under ground in conduit. The connection is in the riser which the lid is secured with (8) #2 square head screws. Therefore you would use table 300.5 not 210.8(A)(3).

                The example you used from electriciantalk is for a lift pump in a pump chamber. In that situation the outlet is above ground, not below.

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                • #23
                  Re: Inspector problems

                  It's an outdoor 120v receptacle which under 210.8 requires GFCI protection. There is no exception because it is below grade. Personal opinion is not relevant to what the NEC states.

                  You can call a dog a cat all you want but it won't make it meow.

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