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    Thanks guys in advance. I haven't had my head in the game much the past few years and have noticed a lot of choices with regards to choosing an new Oil Fired Hot Water Boiler for a family member.

    I was looking at the Burnham MPO's and Weil McLain Ultra Series.

    I only need a 100 MBH unit.

    For a boiler that small does the efficiency make that much of a difference? How much longer may it take me to wire as opposed to conventional?

    I have no clue which way to go should i just install a conventional 85% efficiency unit I can install with my eyes closed?

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    Re: Hw boiler selection

    Me personally, I think efficiency matters no matter what the size of the unit is.

    Is this for straight heat only or is this a summer/winter hook-up?

    The reason I ask is, that would determine what we would always install.

    -Summer/winter hook-up, I'm installing a steel boiler.

    -Straight heat only I'm installing cast iron only.

    With a Steel Boiler that water will heat up quicker than cast iron. With a cast Iron boiler, the water will stay hotter longer. So there isn't much of a difference there as far as how much you're spending to heat the water.

    If I had to choose between the 2 you listed, I would want to install Burnham over Weil Mclain, because we were never fans of Weil Mclain. (just a personal preference)

    However, Weil Mclain will probably be a cheaper unit for you to purchase versus the Burnham.

    Utica is up there in New York, and that's another option for you.

    As far as wiring goes, if it's 2 or more zones, I'm using a Taco Zone control to make life extremely easy.

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    • #3
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      I was feeling the Burnham as well my cost seems pretty reasonable, Weil McLain, I had a couple bad push nipples years back and never quite got the bad taste out of my mouth but my supply house was assuring me they haven't had problems in years.

      I just wasn't sure about the IQ stuff with the Burnham, how complicated is it? are special tools need for servicing and troubleshooting that I my not have?

      Is it as reliable as their conventional boilers?

      They will be using the boiler year round with a Boilermate I installed a few years ago on their boiler they have now, so yeah I'm gonna go with Cast.

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      • #4
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        Unfortunately the only supply house I still deal with around here only deals with Weil McLain, Burnham and Hydrotherm, the other supply houses I either no longer have accounts with or have gone out of business

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        • #5
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          We use to hear the same problems with Weil Mclain back in the day. But the majority of problems we saw with Mclain was they were "leakers".

          I've also heard Mclain did a turn around with their products, so I don't know, as we are a Columbia dealer.

          As far as Burnham goes, I've never installed one but my father has installed one or 2 in his career. The problem was..they were always much higher in price and we couldn't compete, if we wanted to use that brand to push.


          You shouldn't have a problem with either boiler as far as tools goes. You might want to borrow a combustion analyzer incase you don't have one, for when you set your air. You will need a smoke tester as well.

          Of course I won't give you a hard time if you "eye ball" the fire, and set your air that way. That's how I was taught back in the day, before combustion analyzer's and these companies making boilers extremely tight.

          Who's burner are you going to use? I'm a beckett fan as parts are easily available around here for me in case of an emergency. Some guys like Carlin and Riello, but I know nothing about them as I rarely see it in my area. I've probably seen 1 Riello and maybe 5 Carlins in my career. Beckett dominates our area.

          If you use a Taco Zone control, you can get one with a priority for the Boilermate if you so chose.

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          • #6
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            Beckett hands down I have plenty of spare parts still.

            But I agree 1000% about the Taco control

            I was planning to have their service company set up the flame as they gave me their oil tank replacements for years, Its too easy for me just to have them set the flame and draft.

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            • #7
              Re: Hw boiler selection

              the best oil boiler you could get Buderus cost more but it is the cleanest burning oil burner out there
              this one has a taco zone control and also has a Teckmar control



              this one has a hot water maker on it and also a taco control

              Last edited by HVAC HAWK; 03-25-2011, 07:59 PM.
              Charlie

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              • #8
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                I've heard some good things about Buderus, but never installed one.

                I think I've seen 1 in my career in our area.

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                • #9
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                  they are very big in NY they have a Becket burner or the better Riello burner
                  Charlie

                  My seek the peek fundraiser page
                  http://observatory.mountwashington.o...nal&fr_id=1040


                  http://www.mountwashington.org/weather/conditions.php

                  new work pictures 12/09
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                  • #10
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                    Been installing a lot of Buderus BE series lately. Very impressive, 92% without condensing. So quiet you can't tell when the darn thing is running
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                    • #11
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                      Thanks guys I'll check out the buderus. Is there anything special I need to know with regard to the install so I can figure this job?

                      Spyrovent? Special flow checks? Anything?

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                      • #12
                        Re: Hw boiler selection

                        Originally posted by wrench spinner View Post
                        Thanks guys I'll check out the buderus. Is there anything special I need to know with regard to the install so I can figure this job?

                        Spyrovent? Special flow checks? Anything?
                        yes on a air eliminator
                        not sure how many zones you need ,are you going to make you hot water off this boiler or do you have a water heater
                        Charlie

                        My seek the peek fundraiser page
                        http://observatory.mountwashington.o...nal&fr_id=1040


                        http://www.mountwashington.org/weather/conditions.php

                        new work pictures 12/09
                        http://public.fotki.com/hvachawk/

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                        • #13
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                          Ok, so after reading the install manual a couple of times, i gather that the labor between the buderus and a conventional boiler is essentially the same as is the "support" materials, i.e. expansion tank, circ's, flow checks, controls and air eliminator. It looks like the buderus units come with a tiger loop which is cool.

                          Charlie i am running 3 zones one of which is for a boiler mate, one zone is venturi one pipe the other is a traditional one pipe.

                          Ill probably go with the taco zone control for four zones, a spirovent for the air eliminator and a couple of taco 007ifc's

                          Oh and the boiler i will price out monday will be the buderus Logano G125BE/28 as I only need 75MBH
                          Last edited by wrench spinner; 03-27-2011, 09:29 AM.

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                          • #14
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                            hmm looks like i have to get certified to buy this boiler that is WONDERFUL, Why cant they all be like this!!!

                            I signed up for April 27th in CT
                            Last edited by wrench spinner; 03-27-2011, 09:50 AM.

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                              i will try to post a picture on a header i did that is about the same
                              there is a couple ways to do it some like to put the 007 on the supply and some put it on the return ,i put it on the supply its called pumping away .
                              Charlie

                              My seek the peek fundraiser page
                              http://observatory.mountwashington.o...nal&fr_id=1040


                              http://www.mountwashington.org/weather/conditions.php

                              new work pictures 12/09
                              http://public.fotki.com/hvachawk/

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