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  • ToUtahNow
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    I don't know. Even if the Steel Dragon tool was 100% the same, the idea of the intellectual thievery bothers me enough I would not touch one.

    Mark

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  • Plumber Punky
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    Im going to update this thread regarding my SDT K-50 5/8" copy of the sewer machine and cables that I use 10+ times a month. To date, it is over 6 years old. It has had ZERO lubrication (no grease ports), no replacement parts, no repairs, no nothing... ever. It doesnt make problem noises, no bearing problems, no motor problems. It even took a big short/zap from an improperly wired electrical circuit. I often use it fully with the 85 feet of cable it came with. So far, it's more than paid for itself. More likely 10 plus times over. I know for a fact I could never say that about a Ridgid k-50. (I've used them before, so I do know.)

    Every time I use it I say "maybe it'll puke this time" yet it never does. Ever. Always starts, always performs great. I do know if i have to rebuild it, it will will cost a fraction of what Ridgid would cost me for their product. For me, the ROI is far better on the SDT product than the Ridgid.

    IMO the SDT is a better product for the investment. Ridgid doesnt make the quality of tools they once did.

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  • Bindustrial
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    I want to reply to this as old as it is. Steel dragon tools is a american company who buys CHINESE tools from a CHINESE knockoff. I have rebuilt Ridgid 300, 700, 535, and 1224 threaders for over 10 years. The steel dragon tools appear clean and pretty when they show up but are a complete hit or miss. Sometimes they work perfect, but more often then not they have a bad grinding noise to the motor, Worn or mis-shaped parts, They do not perform as well with regard to sound, power, speed, or dependability. The motor parts are cheap and last approximatley a year if you are lucky. That is with monthly NOT DAILY use and tested on many machines. That being said the steel dragon tools parts which are actually HONGLI parts parts china will work and do perform but you will have a rough sounding motor, harder centering chucks and tooling to use, and a weaker/ more vulnerable platform to work with. The parts are interchangeable as china copied Ridgid and is now selling Americans what they seem to want which is junk that looks pretty, at a cheaper price.

    Hopefully people read this and catch on! Ridgid provides quality tools and takes pride as well as backs up their work! I have rebuilt RIDGID machines that are over 50 years old but have perfect motors and Perfect parts on them. I guarantee nobody will be REBUILDING a steel dragon/ HONGLI KNOCOKOFF machine ever.

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  • Mightyservant
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    No question, we had supplier begin manufacturing almost all the hanger attachments we use in China which sucked because they are superior for our craft.
    They're nearest US competitor had ok products but are not very well designed, they look taco, always have, always will.
    So what do you do when the forming machines used to make the parts are packed up and sent to China, fed raw materials made to ISO quality standards and the products gets shipped back to the US to be sold by the same manufacturer only now it's stamped China?
    It sucks, but you gotta do what you gotta do.

  • Plumber Punky
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    at least you know what youre getting with a new chinese product. craigslist is a crapshoot

  • Drain-slayer
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    Unfortunately chinese products are completely unavoidable.

  • Mightyservant
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    You gotta do what you gotta do brother however you can find all sorts of lightly used RIDGID threaders among others right now, today on CL San Diego. I realize its hard to buy USA sometimes, many things just aren't made here anymore and because we have a higher standard of living things are going to cost much more to make here so manufacturers looking to expand have gone elsewhere not just China.

    The Chinese however are quick to move into industries than can bring in cash regardless of intellectual property rights. Many different industries are getting ripped off, out foxed and outsmarted by getting into bed with a society thats ravaged by a generation of communism and seek to grab onto some if not all of our wealth.

    For me I just don't want to help an economic adversary out anymore that I have to, we may faceing them in battle sooner than we think.

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  • Drain-slayer
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    Old thread but I'd like to chime in. I'm not that guy who has to buy made in the USA only. I don't discriminate when it comes to products. If a product is solid has good reviews and does the job and I like it then I buy it. I have a SDT threader. I don't do much threading, maybe 2 times a months a job may call for it. It works without a problem. I actually bought it slightly used and now have had it 5 years. It's very solid and definitely does the job. I would say if you're a plumber who occasionally threads and you don't want to drop bigger $$ on a threader then SDT is for you.

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  • Plumber Punky
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    chinese machine for chinese pipe

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  • gap1927
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    I'm an independent contractor (UA), master plumber, steamfitter, G1. Over the last 30+ years I have used several brands of threading machines including Oster, Wheeler Rex, Collins & primarily Ridgid. All pretty good! There are Ridgid 535, 300 & 700 machines out there that have been running strong for 50+ years so we know they have the goods. Since this is a RIDGID forum, I personally would not have the cojones to ask about about the value of a Chinese knock-off threading machine for fear of getting castrated! But I suspect the OP is a younger dude just learning the ropes.
    Having said that, I will fess up & admit that I own an SDT portable power threaded. The reason being, I was tooling up for a semi-retirement type of one man shop & just couldn't afford the extra $1000 or so bucks to get a 700 at the time. Train of thought was the junk machine would last me a year or so & in the mean time I would shop around for a good used ridgid set. 3 years later, the SDT (Rothenburger Supertronic 2000 clone) is still running fine. Although the dies that came with it have been replaced by Ridgid 11R. It certainly wouldn't take the abuse of daily commercial use but for myself it does the job. Yeah, it's definitely not cool when other pro's see me threading pipe with my Chinese crap but when they see it run & I tell them what I paid for it & that it owes me nothing after 3 years of use they don't laugh quite as hard & at my present age I really couldn't give 2 f**ks anyway.
    I do have a complete set of "Ridgid" cordless tools which are of course made in China since Ridgid decided to pimp their name out to Home Depot. Nevertheless, the quality vs price is still good & these I do abuse on a daily basis.
    Also drive a Silverado, still made in North America, I think?

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  • NYC LMP
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    Re: Steel Dragon Threaders

    I think you may be confusing "reasonable" with agreeing with you. What was so unreasonable with what any of us stated?
    My feeling is in line with Utah's, in that I have a problem with Chinese knockoffs of US products.
    Just to be fair, if a Chinese manufacturer produces a tool or device that is not a copy of one of ours' I would have no hesitation in purchasing it. I appreciate the Chinese culture and mindset. I also have Asian ancestors.
    I sacrifice profit on jobs by buying domestically. My plumbing supply receipts are stamped "SHIP DOMESTIC FITTINGS ONLY". I know many are produced elsewhere. Call me naive. It's okay.

    I have some inventions I would like to patent. I had a conversation with a Chinese lawyer who is a customer. He told me the reason I should consider having it developed in China is that if you are friendly with the right people, their government will stop others from patent infringement. No protection internationally if developed here. Cutthroat. Won't do it.

    No disrespect intended, but I can't bring myself to purchase a 300, the kind I grew up with, a piece of Americana, that has clearly been copied for the benefit of companies of a country who is our economic enemy.

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  • Plumbfast
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    Re: Steel Dragon Threaders

    Thanks for all the feedback. It is much appreciated. Hats off to Plumber Punky for being the most reasonable. I found a like new Wheeler Rex for a reasonable price. Bring on the Wheeler Rex bashing. Just kidding, funny how easily you guys get fired up.

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  • gear junkie
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    ..........
    Last edited by gear junkie; 06-05-2018, 10:32 PM.

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  • ToUtahNow
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    Re: Steel Dragon Threaders

    Even Ridge has factories in China but that is not why I am against YDT. YDT is a cheaply made knock off of Ridge's intellectual and Patented machines. I see no difference between this and buying pirated DVDs made in someones basement.

    Mark

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  • Plumber Punky
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    Re: Steel Dragon Threaders

    Originally posted by AZsprinkie View Post
    My rule is- buy the most dependable tools, that you can afford, if you're using them for business, but, if you only need them a few times, maybe cheap ones are OK. Ridgid threaders will never let you down, if you follow the instructions. Im not below buying Harbor Freight tools etc. but I wouldn't count on them for my business.
    The above is unbiased. Very good.

    Steel Dragon Tools are typically Chinese made copies of other manufacturer's products. The ones that I have that are SDT, I will not mention the type, have stood the test of abuse well and are just as serviceable as the 'true' brand. It is professional looking, quiet, and cleans up easier than a non-painted object. The tools will usually accept the 'real brand's ' replacement parts.

    Harbor Freight Tools are also typically made in China, however some are USA branded. The outer housings of the power tools are usually very durable while the inner steel gears, for example, have been known to be of lesser quality. Most have no labels or markings so most people wont know they are not 'Ridgid' tools anyway.

    I had a hammer/driver drill that I used professionally for 10 years before I let a coworker use it. It didn't last another 10 minutes. I suppose a lifespan of any tool depends upon how it's used/abused. (Respect the tools, they will respect you.) The hand threader kit I have threads from 3/8" to 2". Never had any problems with quality and durability. Threader teeth can be purchased anywhere. The radio tool box has been durable and houses all my soldering stuff. Makes a good step stool too. The hanging 13w fluorescent job light has taken a beating and still works great. 10 years and still on the first bulb. Dropped probably 25 times from 6 feet. I have a bunch of other non-branded tools that are used professionally. There is no less shame in using them provided they do what you need and don't let you down.

    There are some times where branded tools are a must have. But I see no need for chest thumping over a brand. There are reviews here every so often for Ryobi or Dewalt or Makita tools, so why not SDT? I suspect it's because:

    1- like me, if you mention you have had good luck with or like an 'off brand' you immediately become less of a pro and more of a hack in the eyes of some

    2- people think you are a commie; you dont buy american and support america (though this is less of an issue as more and more products are not entirely made in the usa - you know - "assembled in the usa with parts made in...")

    3- people think you are a cheapskate. because you are a pro, you must have the cash for 'proper' tools

    4- people think you are stupid. maybe they didnt do their research before jumping into an expense for something or maybe they dont have the exact same usage requirements as you do. but nonetheless, bashing will ensue... (tell me again why I would have to pay more than $1000 for a green piece of lawn equipment versus an equivalent commercial red piece of equipment?)

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