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  • #31
    Re: Removing a water closet by yourself

    Originally posted by plumbdog10 View Post
    Atlas (hey, hey, hey)

    You are a plumber, yet posting on the pro forum to ask how to change a toilet?

    You might want to look for another trade.
    Haven't you ever had that "meaningful" debate at work on whether you put the bowl in first then the tank OR put it all together then install on the flange?

    I do bowl first, then tank...less likely to dent, chip or scratch anything, easier on the back and you can adjust the tank to the wall easier when the bowls in place.

    I know it's a "silly" topic, but even you can't tell me you never met a plumber who did everything the way you do.

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    • #32
      Re: Removing a water closet by yourself

      I do bowl first then tank as well. I also put my wax seal down on the flange first...some put it on the bottom of the bowl first.

      Speaking of wax seals..I HATE and REFUSE to use the wax seal with the flange on it...they should be illegal IMO. I don't know how many times I seen them installed cocked or 2 on top of each other. Cutting down the diameter of the outlet(flange part)..is not my idea of a good wax seal.

      How many guys bolt the bolts to the flange? I do..and it makes it easier for the next Plumber coming in behind me with taking the toilet off.

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      • #33
        Re: Removing a water closet by yourself

        Originally posted by DuckButter View Post
        Haven't you ever had that "meaningful" debate at work on whether you put the bowl in first then the tank OR put it all together then install on the flange?

        I do bowl first, then tank...less likely to dent, chip or scratch anything, easier on the back and you can adjust the tank to the wall easier when the bowls in place.

        I know it's a "silly" topic, but even you can't tell me you never met a plumber who did everything the way you do.
        I mainly work with flush valve toilets, but on tanks, I'm an install the tank first and then set the toilet type of guy. But to each his own.

        What I find disturbing is that this guy says he's set hundreds of toilets, but never on his own. I never saw toilet setting as a plumber/helper task. I'd be fired if I assigned two guys per toilet on the finish phase of the job.
        the dog

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        • #34
          Re: Removing a water closet by yourself

          hi guys fastplumber here i do mostly one peace toilets.


          sorry about my spelling. damit jim i'm a plumber!

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          • #35
            Re: Removing a water closet by yourself

            Originally posted by plumbdog10 View Post
            What I find disturbing is that this guy says he's set hundreds of toilets, but never on his own. I never saw toilet setting as a plumber/helper task. I'd be fired if I assigned two guys per toilet on the finish phase of the job.
            You do know that there are residential customers that need toilets taken out and replaced, right? Installing a toilet on a flange is one man job, I agree. But, that wasn't my question to begin with.
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            • #36
              Re: Removing a water closet by yourself

              Originally posted by Ozone89 View Post
              How many guys bolt the bolts to the flange? I do..and it makes it easier for the next Plumber coming in behind me with taking the toilet off.
              I do this. I'll use another set of nuts and washers to keep the bolt from spinning for the next plumber in the future.
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              • #37
                Re: Removing a water closet by yourself

                didn't read the first post. but i let helpers install toilets all alone. and am more than able to do it by my self

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                • #38
                  Re: Removing a water closet by yourself

                  I enjoy reading all the post you guys write about,and learn alot from you guy.makes me wish i would have done things a little different when i was younger.(might have been a plumber)tried my hand at heating and cooling and even went to school for it and worked in the field for 3 years ,2 of which were for an ex navy chief who owned his own business in chesapeke virgina,(temp-a-tech heating and cooling)enjoyed it much.but things changed when i got back to ohio and in my area was flooded with techs and the pay was not good.now 3 kids later i repair tools(pays pretty damn well)I know i am rambling just wanted to tell you guys keep up the good info i'm learning alot.but dog you do put a damper on alot of post,just give your advise not your jabs,your no better than anybody else!
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                  • #39
                    Re: Removing a water closet by yourself

                    Originally posted by plumbdog10 View Post
                    I mainly work with flush valve toilets, but on tanks, I'm an install the tank first and then set the toilet type of guy. But to each his own.

                    What I find disturbing is that this guy says he's set hundreds of toilets, but never on his own. I never saw toilet setting as a plumber/helper task. I'd be fired if I assigned two guys per toilet on the finish phase of the job.

                    Yeah, what he said. Been many years since I set any toilets, but I've done a few hundred both one and two piece. Last time was a high rise casino and I was part of a crew trimming out and setting the toilets. After about 20 floors with ~50 rooms/floor you get bored to death, and there were still another 20 floors to go. We averaged 10 to 12 per day each. This included hauling them out of the storage room on that floor, setting the bowl and tank, connecting the supply line and installing the seat. Then slipping the seat box back over the lid and taping it down so the animals would not be tempted to take a dump in them before the water was turned on. After the smoke test passed we would come back caulk around the base.
                    "When we build let us think we build forever. Let it not be for present delight nor for present use alone. Let it be such work that our descendants will thank us for, and let us think, as we lay stone upon stone, that a time is to come when these stones will be held sacred because our hands have touched them, and that men will say, as they look upon the labor and wrought substance of them, "See! This our fathers did for us."
                    John Ruskin (1819 - 1900)

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                    • #40
                      Re: Removing a water closet by yourself

                      Originally posted by chic View Post
                      I enjoy reading all the post you guys write about,and learn alot from you guy.makes me wish i would have done things a little different when i was younger.(might have been a plumber)tried my hand at heating and cooling and even went to school for it and worked in the field for 3 years ,2 of which were for an ex navy chief who owned his own business in chesapeke virgina,(temp-a-tech heating and cooling)enjoyed it much.but things changed when i got back to ohio and in my area was flooded with techs and the pay was not good.now 3 kids later i repair tools(pays pretty damn well)I know i am rambling just wanted to tell you guys keep up the good info i'm learning alot.but dog you do put a damper on alot of post,just give your advise not your jabs,your no better than anybody else!
                      I think I work for the same guy!! A-1?
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                      • #41
                        Re: Removing a water closet by yourself

                        I build the toilet first, seat and tank, then install the wax on the flange after I install the bolts, I also use extra nuts on the flange instead of those nasty white things, I install my nuts that go after the washer for the caps upside down, just a trick, then I caulk the toilet down and use a rag to get a perfect bead around the base.
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                        • #42
                          Re: Removing a water closet by yourself

                          Originally posted by westcoastplumber View Post
                          I build the toilet first, seat and tank, then install the wax on the flange after I install the bolts, I also use extra nuts on the flange instead of those nasty white things, I install my nuts that go after the washer for the caps upside down, just a trick, then I caulk the toilet down and use a rag to get a perfect bead around the base.
                          Do you know how many floors I have had to replace because the toilet gets caulked. If the toilet leaks later on, let this sucker come out on top of the floor. Sooner the HO's sees the leak, the bester it is for the HO's. Caulking the base of the bowl is not a good thing. When that wax ring starts to leak, instead of coming out onto the floor, the wood starts to absorb the water like a sponge. Now very shortly it will rot and the waste pipe will be holding up the toilet. You caulk the base for what, 2 reasons. #1--Looks, #2--Easier to clean.

                          Replacement of Floor vs Looks

                          I just had to replace another floor 2 weeks ago, this is a lot more common problem than you might tend to believe. I was also taught to caulk around the base, as a plumber. Then when I switched over to the Carpentry Trade, never again will I caulk the base. It would sound like job security, but I won't do it.
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                          • #43
                            Re: Removing a water closet by yourself

                            Garager

                            I'm with you on NOT calking to the floor. A neighbor had to have his toilet in the powder room pulled and in doing so the floor tiles (very old) came out with it. That set him back about $2500 to have the floor repaired and new tiles installed. That didn't include the cost for plumber and a new toilet which he hates. Once you get used to the old vintage 5 gallon per flush American Standard toilets you never like the new 1.6 gallon water saver models. They just don't give a good enough flush. Also, the old ones had nice flat lids that you could set several rolls of TP on and not have them fall off all the time.

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                            • #44
                              Re: Removing a water closet by yourself

                              I don't caulk the back of the toilet for that reason.

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                              • #45
                                Re: Removing a water closet by yourself

                                Then again caulking the water closet is a minimum code requirement so anyone who does not caulk the water closet is doing sub-standard work.

                                Mark
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