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  • #16
    Re: Too Much Flux

    Originally posted by ToUtahNow View Post
    I have been into some of the shells. Each unit has three SOVs in the ceiling if the laundry room. They are hot, cold and return. The walls are up and painted but there is no floor coverings and only stub outs at fixture locations except that there are SOV and 3/4" MIP adapters at tub locations and single handle valves installed at stall showers. The buyer is responsible to hire their own designer and contractor to complete the units. One of the units which is the worst has two 3/4" water heater flexes connecting the tub valve and the rest is from original construction.

    Because the slim is mostly at the hot I believe the hot is helping it dislodge. One of the first things I'm going to do is try and flush both hot and cold lines with the hot. I figure I can connect the laundry bibbs and the close the cold SOV and the return SOV which will give me hot to the entire unit.

    Mark
    Sounds like a viable plan to me for what thats worth??

    Its got to help, a lot!

    Regards,

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    • #17
      Re: Too Much Flux

      Originally posted by DUNBAR View Post
      There's the answer right there I bet; untrained hands or incorrect workmanship or materials (improper flux)


      The liability could easily go back to the association that runs that development for even allowing this possibility to exist.

      Not unless there's more details to your situation whereby the same person plumbed all those units.

      They better hope they can get this matter resolved before these units keep changing ownership.
      In my opinion no one is at fault (o.k. the original contractor could have flushed the system better). Just flush the system now and call it a day.

      Dunbar is getting hot and heavy to find fault. How many multistory buildings have you piped fron the ground-up?
      the dog

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      • #18
        Re: Too Much Flux

        Dog ,in repair work ,what do You recommend for a good flush??
        I can build anything You want , if you draw a picture of it , on the back of a big enough check .

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        • #19
          Re: Too Much Flux

          Originally posted by plumbdog10 View Post
          In my opinion no one is at fault (o.k. the original contractor could have flushed the system better). Just flush the system now and call it a day.

          Dunbar is getting hot and heavy to find fault. How many multistory buildings have you piped fron the ground-up?

          ZERO

          And it's going to stay that way. I did however work down at Bel-Terra (gambling hotel and casino) in Indiana.

          Possibly 13 stories but I found a way to get knocked off the job when we reached the 8th floor and it was 18 effing degrees. I was the last of the local union guys and the rest were travellers. I helped on the DWV system but not enough to take much credit. I did the easy stuff, turnouts for back to back lavs, vents. Had one guy do all the core drilling *saweet!* and the guy was amazingly accurate. Chain elevators always brought our box of goodies, cast-iron fittings and mission banded couplings.

          Got sick and tired of being cold and sick and tired of all the damn divorce stories those travellers kept telling. I was the copper man as they had my ridgid all-in-one cutter/reamer/sander machine on a small stand, B-tank carrier with a rigged indirect heater made from a second torch. All cookie cutter design, every floor a copy cat from the one below basically.

          Got fired for christmas at miller brewery at the office building that was being plumbed. Telling my boss that you can't do that mop sink with 90's and telling him that a combination tee for that urinal is sticking out of the finished wall too far got me a free ride to the bench.

          That mop sink got worked out to center with 3" 45's and street 22's.....worked out dead center. The urinal situation had to have the groundwork dug up and set back 2". *Heard this from my fellow compadres*




          But in regards to those condos? I truly believe the remodel phase of moving bathrooms, installing island sinks along with constant alterations and modifications were much more difficult than new construction. No "We'll just slot across the floor" its "You have to go this route, through this chase, make it work".

          New construction in commercial I thought was quite easy, just follow blueprints, don't think above the ceilings are your private domain and catch all the mistakes in the second rough before they happen....makes the final a great deal easier.
          Last edited by DUNBAR PLUMBING; 11-14-2007, 12:17 AM.
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          • #20
            Re: Too Much Flux

            New commercial, the ceilings are a battlefield.
            HVAC, Sprinklers, Electrical...all contending their work takes precedence and of course, the engineers f-ed up the prints and forgot dimensional tolerances.

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            • #21
              Re: Too Much Flux

              For the record this plumbing company is one I really respect and has been a client of mine in the past. I think the problem is when you send young kids who are probably just helpers to try and figure out the problem.

              When the owner of a multi-million dollar condo complains her hair is falling out and turning green she wants a better answer than "that's normal".

              Mark
              "Somewhere a Village is Missing Twelve Idiots!" - Casey Anthony

              I never lost a cent on the jobs I didn't get!

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              • #22
                Re: Too Much Flux

                Originally posted by DuckButter View Post
                New commercial, the ceilings are a battlefield.
                HVAC, Sprinklers, Electrical...all contending their work takes precedence and of course, the engineers f-ed up the prints and forgot dimensional tolerances.
                Have I got some pictures for you
                With you all the way Duck,now for my current project add all the old improvements in the building over the existing galvanized and you have a real peach.

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                • #23
                  Re: Too Much Flux

                  You know what I'm talking about DB.

                  I watched some incredible work done by sprinkler system guys that defied logic in how quick, how efficient they was throwing up heavy-*** piping. Guy worked for Dalmation FPS pushing 100 grand travelling 6 states. Uh...no thank you.

                  Never once did they stray from the blueprints even though he had first dibs at the square footage. Electrical runs, HVAC ductwork, plumbing vents along with gas lines.
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                  • #24
                    Re: Too Much Flux

                    Originally posted by DUNBAR View Post
                    You know what I'm talking about DB.

                    I watched some incredible work done by sprinkler system guys that defied logic in how quick, how efficient they was throwing up heavy-*** piping. Guy worked for Dalmation FPS pushing 100 grand travelling 6 states. Uh...no thank you.

                    Never once did they stray from the blueprints even though he had first dibs at the square footage. Electrical runs, HVAC ductwork, plumbing vents along with gas lines.
                    In the wide open spaces of new commercial FPS may get their elevation per plan(as long as the architect is doing his job) but when the job starts getting a little challenging I can tell you he's not going to get his money making straight shots.Matter of fact we all bow to HVAC.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Too Much Flux

                      Originally posted by ToUtahNow View Post

                      When the owner of a multi-million dollar condo complains her hair is falling out and turning green she wants a better answer than "that's normal".

                      Mark
                      I would too. . . even in a cheaper residence!
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                      • #26
                        Re: Too Much Flux

                        By the way have Rick call me when he gets back so I can have him do some propress at the site.

                        Mark
                        "Somewhere a Village is Missing Twelve Idiots!" - Casey Anthony

                        I never lost a cent on the jobs I didn't get!

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                        • #27
                          Re: Too Much Flux

                          Hair falling out ?? Boy is this going to be a, LARGE, lawsuit !!!!
                          I can build anything You want , if you draw a picture of it , on the back of a big enough check .

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                          • #28
                            Re: Too Much Flux

                            Originally posted by drtyhands View Post
                            In the wide open spaces of new commercial FPS may get their elevation per plan(as long as the architect is doing his job) but when the job starts getting a little challenging I can tell you he's not going to get his money making straight shots.Matter of fact we all bow to HVAC.
                            I don't bow to HVAC, but I coordinate, which is my job. The current job I am running has very tight ceilings, spread over seven floors of buildings. The HVAC foreman has run behind since day one. He usually hits the site two hours late, doesn't show up for meetings, etc. He gets screwed because I have registered complaints with the GC in writting. If there is a conflict, he loses at this point.
                            the dog

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                            • #29
                              Re: Too Much Flux

                              Originally posted by drtyhands View Post
                              In the wide open spaces of new commercial FPS may get their elevation per plan(as long as the architect is doing his job) but when the job starts getting a little challenging I can tell you he's not going to get his money making straight shots.Matter of fact we all bow to HVAC.
                              In a situation where a 3" horizontal drainage branch ran across the center of a 2'x2' section of duct, the engineers decided it best to alter the duct over offsetting the 3" CI over it (there was no room below to the ceiling panels).
                              They had to modify a section down to 1" and expand it's width to accomodate the CF.
                              During the initial discovery of the dilemma I was very interested in listening to the HVAC guys theory, but the GC wasn't.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Too Much Flux

                                Originally posted by DuckButter View Post
                                In a situation where a 3" horizontal drainage branch ran across the center of a 2'x2' section of duct, the engineers decided it best to alter the duct over offsetting the 3" CI over it (there was no room below to the ceiling panels).
                                They had to modify a section down to 1" and expand it's width to accomodate the CF.
                                During the initial discovery of the dilemma I was very interested in listening to the HVAC guys theory, but the GC wasn't.

                                This is why Ducks got his own smily

                                for the record i have no clue if you are right or wrong

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