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  • Anyone currently in trade school?

    Just wondering if we had any trade schoolers currently lurking around the forum. A lot of seasoned pros but doesnt seem to be many newbies just getting into the trades. Are you guys lurking around here? Tremendous amount of learning material here.

    Josh

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    Re: Anyone currently in trade school?

    I'm but a wee fourth year
    West Trail Mechanical Ltd
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      Every day


      Sorry I couldn't resist

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        here in pa it is hard to get some one out of trade school to stay with the trade they started with . they think will make a lot of $$$$ to start
        Charlie

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          Re: Anyone currently in trade school?

          we dont start with trade school. Most people work in the trade for a year, then go to school for their first term
          West Trail Mechanical Ltd
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          www.westtrailmechanical.ca

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            I'm hoping to be a candidate to become an instructor or some active part in the profession to help the new guys learn the trade.

            I'm kinda slanted on my thinking at times but I'll keep it on the level in a classroom setting.

            I understand that the focus is on new construction most times but I'd like to interject the service side into the equation as well.


            You have to know more than just installing plumbing, you have to know how to fix it when it fails.


            Unfortunately our apprenticeship went under years ago, I was only 1 of 3 classes that successfully went 4 years and got the benefit. All because of lack of funds. They do have some community college classes that evolve around the trade but I couldn't tell you how evasive that program is.
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              Re: Anyone currently in trade school?

              Originally posted by bigPipe09 View Post
              we dont start with trade school. Most people work in the trade for a year, then go to school for their first term
              thats what i did a years before i went to a school to update on some things
              Charlie

              My seek the peek fundraiser page
              http://observatory.mountwashington.o...nal&fr_id=1040


              http://www.mountwashington.org/weather/conditions.php

              new work pictures 12/09
              http://public.fotki.com/hvachawk/

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                Inspectors that know me know it's not gonna be an in and out inspection, especially the oldtimers.
                I tend to pick brains, talk shop, when around someone with that much experience.
                Just this afternoon I had an inspection, the guy had three more to go at 3:30 and had to literally run out the door.
                My parting words: "Wait, I have another questions for ya....", he laughed and drove off.
                They have been talking about making continued classes mandatory here, I think I'd like that.

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                  As you may remember, I was but I`m done for now
                  http://www.all-clear-sewer.com/

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                    After 35 years in the plumbing and heating trade, having owned and operated my own, sucessfull business, last year I handed it off to my son and am now teaching plumbing\hvac at the local high school. I also teach the 2nd year plumbing apprentice course two nights a week. I have enough money to retire, and my wife thinks I'm nuts. Our trade is slowly dying. The hardest thing about running a business is finding motivated, qualified technicians.
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                      NH, first of all welcome to the forum. Great to have you on board. Some quality people here.

                      When you say "the trade is slowly dying" I would assume you are talking about the lack of skilled tradesmen to fill in the voids.

                      In your opinion where does this take us in the future. lets face it the work is always going to be there. The trades are one of the jobs you cant outsource to overseas. Problems will always come up here and someone will have to deal with them. The question is how does this play out? Unqualified labor hacking solutions together that don't meet code? Pricing going up enough to entice the next generation into the trades? Question boils down to who's gonna do the job in the future? Just curious on your view.

                      Josh

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                      • #12
                        Re: Anyone currently in trade school?

                        Originally posted by Josh
                        When you say "the trade is slowly dying" I would assume you are talking about the lack of skilled tradesmen to fill in the voids.
                        I don't know if the trade is slowly dying, but it certainly is very sick.

                        I've been in the trade for 41 years and there have been some very serious changes over the years. The old-timers (even older than me) predicted that when everything went to plastic the trade would be history. They weren't far from wrong.

                        Supply houses now rent or loan tools to homeowners. Anybody can put drains together - all it takes is a can of glue and a hacksaw. Builders are speaking of 50% + profits while squeezing their subs. Illegal aliens as well as legal ones are dragging the price of labor down and the middle class is rapidly disappearing. Sure, some of the members of this forum are insulated from these things, but some are not.

                        The average price of plumbing work has approximately tripled over the last 30 years, while everything else is 10 - 30 times as expensive. Anybody remember 39 cents a pound steaks? $3,000 pickups?

                        Specialty licenses mean that nobody has to go to school for five years to work in the plumbing trades anymore.

                        Flat rating was a response to plumbers not being able to charge enough to stay in business. "Everybody knows" that plumbers are too expensive. And what happened? The sudden gleefulness of the success of flat rate caused businesses to abuse it and gouge and then they were attacked by their brothers in arms as crooks.

                        If a medical specialist makes millions a year, other doctors don't jump down their throats.

                        Now there are shortages of plumbing labor where it's needed because no one wants to get into a trade with such an uncertain future. And plumbing businesses are bankrupted by uncertain materials like Kitec and Zurn, undergoing class action suits.

                        This is not the world of plumbing that I knew 41 years ago.

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                          If you're in the business, you know how hard it is to get and keep decent guys. I blame me and us, for not keeping an eye on our trade. Now I realize it's hard to read the publications, go to the board meetings and do all that administrative stuff when you have a company to run. I would like to think that we could leave the majority of that "stuff" to the phcc and other such organizations. Unfortunatly they seem to be more interested in selling code books and other crap to be truley effective. Truth is though, most of the public still needs plumbers and hvac guys. Though there is a crap load of dyi information available to the home owner, most still shy away from plumbing. Along that line though, how many of you have had some puts call you up and want you to install the water heater he just bought from Home Depot?
                          Plumbing is a profession. Plumbers need to have decent academic skills. They need to dress and act appropriatly. I make all my employees wear clean company uniforms daily. I school them in proper manners and reprimand them severly for foul language on the job. In fact I fired two, last August because they just could not stop swearing. These may seem like small potatoes, but the truth is, if we don't start demanding a higher level, we will never achieve it.
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                            "Dress and act appropriatly"

                            There was a contractor that made a comment years ago who said he would never hire a guy who presented themselves as I do.Unfortunately I never invested the time into making him eat his words.I rarely find a man who can plumb as good as he looks.

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                              Man Herk, that's some serious joy kill you have there. You have some valid and good points though. However, I try to remain positive as I don't have the years in the business like you or many of the members here.

                              As a younger plumber (no insult intended) I listen to and read posts from veteran plumbers with great interest and respect. It greatly discourages me when I hear this type of talk and I usually shy away from it, but I keep hearing it from the veterans. (Not just here).

                              What can we do to make it better? Seriously, because I'm not giving up, period.
                              Anyone can tear a man down, few can build one up.

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