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I agree. I have done plenty of new work also. But more service. Rough-in experience, codes and knowledge are essential to pass the test.
I passed on my first shot, but the one area that I tanked was gas piping....I don't have much experience or knowledge and the gas piping questions really threw me off. My only experience gas-piping is basically service and being a helper threading pipe and minor installations. Luckily I made up for it by knowing the other stuff on the test really well.
I don't touch gas-piping installations in my business because of my lack of experience. Even though I am licensed to do it. Gas is dangerous and I am not that greedy to do something with so much liability that I know in my heart that I am really not qualified for.
so what yall are telling me is that you could be a 20 year j-man or a virgin j-man and write the test and.....BOOM your a master plumber? Also i dont know how you guys roll down south but up here you an pull a permit if your 1)a master plumber 2)A HOME OWNER... yeah im a jman plumber and if someone asked me to rough in a basement washroom and they wanted to do it on the level(having problems here in calgary with illegal suites) i couldnt pull a permit the home owner... who may be a lawyer and has no plumbing knowlede @ all, he/she can pull the permit and i cant(unless master) whats up with that?.....
if u cant bedazzle em with briliance, baffle em with bulls&*t
Here's how it currently works in NH. (we're changing it soon I hope) You do 4 years apprenticeship. Take and pass the journeymans test. Wait 6 months. Take and pass the Masters Test. So you can (and many are) become a Master plumber with 4 years and 6 months experiance. BULLSHIT.
Out here a manipulative engineer got his general contractors licence by simply showing proof that he had been buying and selling properties(after some lick and stick upgrades)for 5 years.The Calif. License board gave him some credit for getting a degree in engineering.
So basically he's a General Contrator with some painting skills and nothing else.He sure know's how to blow golden smoke though.
Out here the state want's you to be in the trade for 4 years(easy bootleg).Then you can go and take a test that my twelve year old niece could pass.
Years ago I used to trust the certification.Not now.
sadly the contractors license is just a way for the state to control the contractor.
If I wasn't who I was and didn't respect my self and the trade, I would have just got a van, no lettering, no license, no insurance and became a hack, like the rest of the "Plumbers" in my area.
But tell you what, I am proud of who I am, and the time I take to become who I am.
I am blessed with customers that don't want the hack.
The contractors test was easier then the journeymans test. I am with Adam, I used to respect people who have the license, but now I question it and believe it is only another control device provided by the govenment. They need to stop making it easier to get.
An ideal world would be this in California:
Supply houses that only sell to contractors
Yearly or every 2 year tests conducted by the state in the field you work in
Lower the min customer total to $100.00 without a license
Required permits on jobs, city paid inspectors to drive around looking for jobs being completed without permits.
HAHAHAHA, maybe a little overboard...... but i don't think so.
I sat down for my test with about 6 other guys. The tester announced that all tests would be 3 hours except mine. Mine would be 6 hours with a break. The other guys starting mumbling to eachother wondering why my test was so much harder than theirs. (especially since I was the youngest looking guy of the bunch).
One guy finally asked, "what test are you taking?"
"Plumbing," I said proudly. All the guys started mumbling even more after that. It turns out they were all taking the general contractor's license test and they assumed plumbing was easier than what they do! HAHA!