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  • #16
    Re: Roots at WC Flange

    What about Root-X at the flange? Sprinkle granules around the perimeter of the flange, activate the granules by spraying water on them with a water bottle, set the WC, then dump the rest of the granules in the WC and flush.

    Root-X claims to be non-toxic:

    http://www.rootx.com/plumbers/faqs.htm

    This way we treat the lateral and the flange at one time - should be good for a year anyway. What do you think?
    spodelee

    Until lions have their own storytellers, stories of the hunt shall always glorify the hunter

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    • #17
      Re: Roots at WC Flange

      Originally posted by plumberscrack View Post
      I'm going with what the chemical engineer says
      AGREED!


      Thats one thing I don't like about Chemical Engineers though. They always think they know more about chemicals then a drain cleaner.


      Thanks for the info Chemeng.
      INSIGHT PIPE is now Maine Drain Serving most of ME with no charge for travel! 207-431-6232 is nolonger a working # our NEW # is 207-355-1476
      Sewer main snaking (roto rooting). Sink clogs. Sewer backup. Pipe inspection/locating. No Dig trenchless repair. Root clog removal.We are NOT to replace your local Plumber, as we do not do plumbing. WE ARE YOUR DRAIN CLEANING EXPERTS!!! www.sewermaine.com waterville winslow bangor augusta skowhegan fairfield pittsfield oakland

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      • #18
        Re: Roots at WC Flange

        Root-X = Copper Sulfate

        Right???

        Okie

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        • #19
          Re: Roots at WC Flange

          Originally posted by OkieBill View Post
          Root-X = Copper Sulfate

          Right???

          Okie
          No, according to http://www.rootx.com/plumbers/faqs.htm

          What kind of chemicals does RootX use?
          RootX kills roots using Dichlobenil, a proven aquatic herbicide. RootX also contains degreasing agents that strip away the grime on roots, allowing the Dichlobenil herbicide to penetrate the root ends. Unlike other root control chemicals, RootX contains no diquat dibromide, copper sulfate or metam sodium.

          Is RootX harmful to the environment?
          No. The RootX formula is non-caustic, non-fumigating and non-systemic. It is classified as a General Use product by the Environmental Protection Agency and is registered for use in all 50 states (EPA registration #68464-1). In addition, RootX carries the signal word CAUTION, the lowest chemical hazard rating according to the ISO 3864-2 standard for hazard severity panels.

          Is RootX hard on pipes or septic systems?
          No. RootX contains no diquat dibromide, copper sulfate or metam sodium. The RootX formula is non-caustic, non-fumigating and non-systemic. RootX also promotes bacterial growth, which is good for septic systems. By contrast, mechanical root cutting, which cuts and tears at roots that become embedded in the pipe walls, can eventually destroy a pipe’s structural integrity.

          Should I use RootX together with mechanical root cutting?
          If this is the first time you’re treating a pipe or if the pipe is completely blocked, you can clear away the immediate blockage by cutting the roots first. Then use RootX to kill the remaining roots and leave a barrier on the pipe to prevent re-growth. Make sure you apply RootX within one hour of cutting the roots; this ensures the remaining root structure properly absorbs the RootX herbicide. Otherwise, you’ll need to wait 6-8 weeks before using RootX to allow root ends to develop.

          I sent an email to the CA root-x rep so I can ask more questions like: Does Root-x require constant exposure to water in order to remain active?

          If it doesn't, then there should be no difference in applying the product outside of the pipe flange verses on the inside of the pipe.
          spodelee

          Until lions have their own storytellers, stories of the hunt shall always glorify the hunter

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          • #20
            Re: Roots at WC Flange

            Well, rock salt would kill the roots, but...don't forget what happens to your car in the winter time in northern areas with salt!!!!! Salt will corrode steel also...now....obviously cast iron will take some time to corrode, and Im not sure what is more corrisive to iron copper sulphate or salt (which is sodium chloride)...but both will corrode. A nice coating of wheel bearing grease around the outside of the pipe and flange will kill the roots BUT could/will contaminate the soil nearby. Wheel bearing grease is harmless to cast iron.

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            • #21
              Re: Roots at WC Flange

              Originally posted by Chemeng View Post
              Well, rock salt would kill the roots, but...don't forget what happens to your car in the winter time in northern areas with salt!!!!! Salt will corrode steel also...now....obviously cast iron will take some time to corrode, and Im not sure what is more corrisive to iron copper sulphate or salt (which is sodium chloride)...but both will corrode. A nice coating of wheel bearing grease around the outside of the pipe and flange will kill the roots BUT could/will contaminate the soil nearby. Wheel bearing grease is harmless to cast iron.
              Interesting Chemeng. Thanks for the info.
              Whats in the wheel bearing grease that kills the roots?
              INSIGHT PIPE is now Maine Drain Serving most of ME with no charge for travel! 207-431-6232 is nolonger a working # our NEW # is 207-355-1476
              Sewer main snaking (roto rooting). Sink clogs. Sewer backup. Pipe inspection/locating. No Dig trenchless repair. Root clog removal.We are NOT to replace your local Plumber, as we do not do plumbing. WE ARE YOUR DRAIN CLEANING EXPERTS!!! www.sewermaine.com waterville winslow bangor augusta skowhegan fairfield pittsfield oakland

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              • #22
                Re: Roots at WC Flange

                Originally posted by Chemeng View Post
                Well, rock salt would kill the roots, but...don't forget what happens to your car in the winter time in northern areas with salt!!!!! Salt will corrode steel also...now....obviously cast iron will take some time to corrode, and Im not sure what is more corrisive to iron copper sulphate or salt (which is sodium chloride)...but both will corrode. A nice coating of wheel bearing grease around the outside of the pipe and flange will kill the roots BUT could/will contaminate the soil nearby. Wheel bearing grease is harmless to cast iron.
                Hey, looky there, we found an expert. Thanks for chiming in!
                spodelee

                Until lions have their own storytellers, stories of the hunt shall always glorify the hunter

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                • #23
                  Re: Roots at WC Flange

                  Wheel bearing grease (non synthetic) comes crude oil (petroleum based), which basically does not support plant life.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Roots at WC Flange

                    We have this stuff in Australia called Ferropre.
                    It is thick and you mix the two parts under water and can mould it to any application.
                    I think that it was originally made for cast iron.
                    My old boss reckons that if you use it on pvc under the ground then the tree roots won't get in.

                    Simon

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                    • #25
                      Re: Roots at WC Flange

                      I did a search on that Ferropre stuff. Looks like its a 2 part adhesive, basically an epoxy for CI pipes as you mention. Not sure of its interaction with PVC or ABS, probably expensive and messy too. Also, it won't help when the roots enter from the flange wax.

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