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  • #16
    Re: plumber dies under hotel

    Originally posted by breid1903 View Post
    i'm also a sparky. why can't you put lights on gfci's? i know that if you trip gfci's the lights go out. whoopee. i wire temp cords all the time for the gc's they are all on gfci's. no gfci wire it yourself. i'm easy to get along with. just ask mom. on second thought don't. breid..........
    After reading this, I went out to look for the portable gfi on my truck....it ain't there...I think its being used in the office.

    I'm tossing all my cords (into my shed) and getting quality cords with gfi tomorrow.
    (The Low Spark of Steel-Toed Boys)

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    • #17
      Re: plumber dies under hotel

      Originally posted by Drip Trip View Post
      After reading this, I went out to look for the portable gfi on my truck....it ain't there...I think its being used in the office.

      I'm tossing all my cords (into my shed) and getting quality cords with gfi tomorrow.
      there is nothing wrong with cords you just need a GFI
      most jobs im on there is a GFI outlet to plug into
      do they make cords with GFIs on them if so if you nick the cord you cant tape it you need to toss it or cut it down ,so if you have a GFI on the cord then it will cost a lot of $ if you nick it closr to the GFI
      Charlie

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      • #18
        Re: plumber dies under hotel

        Originally posted by HVAC HAWK View Post
        there is nothing wrong with cords you just need a GFI
        most jobs im on there is a GFI outlet to plug into
        do they make cords with GFIs on them if so if you nick the cord you cant tape it you need to toss it or cut it down ,so if you have a GFI on the cord then it will cost a lot of $ if you nick it closr to the GFI
        I know my habits and a portable one won't last a day. I thought about taping a portable on, but I'd cut it off. I'm the one who breaks the ground off of cord plugs instead of getting an adaptor out of the truck.

        The built-in gfi cords are worth the money and look darn professional....and plumber proof....
        (The Low Spark of Steel-Toed Boys)

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        • #19
          Re: plumber dies under hotel

          Many homes I work in do not have grounded outlets. Would a GFCI work without a ground? I'm thinking not.

          I work alone like many guys here, and dying in a crawl space is one of my worst fears. Often cell phones don't work and, most of time I take it off if it's a wet area I am going into. I am at so many addresses in the course of a day I couldn't tell the 911 operator where I was. The people at the shop have no idea where I'm at during the day.

          Asking for help because you're going into a crawl space sounds nice. It's not going to happen. Complaining about it just makes you out to be a bad employee known as a whiner and when times get slow, you'll be the first to go.

          I have discussed this with my wife and have now came to the conclusion that if I'm not home by 6:00 to call me, and if I don't answer, call the boss. It won't save my life but at least they will have a good start on finding my body. Seriously, we do this.

          I feel terrible for his family and what he must have endured during his last moments on earth.
          Last edited by Tyman; 08-29-2009, 09:45 AM. Reason: had time to cool off.
          Anyone can tear a man down, few can build one up.

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          • #20
            Re: plumber dies under hotel

            ty, if you seriously have to check in with your wife on a daily basis because of fear from the days work, you need to find a safer job.

            sure plumbing can be very dangerous, but we should have the upper hand at what is safe and what is risky.

            sounds like you're in a situation everyday that is not safe.

            sure joey checks in with me and mark multiple times a day, but it's usually to see what time i'm finishing.

            ty, reassess your present position and honestly talk to the boss. sounds like you're not the only one at the company who is put into these situations.

            rick.
            phoebe it is

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            • #21
              Re: plumber dies under hotel

              Rick, I think we would like to think we have the upper hand but accidents happen. Times are slow right now, and I'm not saying anything, I'll just try to work smarter.

              BTW, the propress is still overpriced. Just teasing.
              Anyone can tear a man down, few can build one up.

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              • #22
                Re: plumber dies under hotel

                Originally posted by Tyman View Post
                Many homes I work in do not have grounded outlets. Would a GFCI work without a ground? I'm thinking not.

                ....
                Yeah, they do. GFIs trip when there's a surge. If the dead plumber had one, he'd be alive today, unless he got bit by a killer cockroach or a insane customer.
                (The Low Spark of Steel-Toed Boys)

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                • #23
                  Re: plumber dies under hotel

                  Accidents 'happen' because we let them happen. Take a minute to
                  think through what you are about to do and ask yourself "What can
                  go wrong?". And if you can answer those questions with a response
                  that will keep you or someone else safe then you are good to go in
                  most cases. If not you need to figure out what it will take to do the
                  job safely and then work it that way.

                  Sure, work is slow and times are tough, but that is no reason to
                  take unnecessary risk. Life will be even tougher for those you leave
                  behind.

                  Just because you didn't get killed the last time you used that drill motor
                  while in a crawl space doesn't mean it can't happen this time.

                  GFCIs trip on a 5mA variance between the hot leg and neutral, this is
                  significantly less than a 'surge'.
                  Last edited by Bob D.; 08-29-2009, 02:38 PM.
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                  • #24
                    Re: plumber dies under hotel

                    i'm also a sparky. gfci's work on 2 wire circuits. you still need the ground. the ground will NOT necessarily save your life by itself. if you are in contact with the earth or anything that will conduct electricity some the electricity will go through you some to the ground rod. if you have the drill with the hot skin, well you will bear the blunt of the short. if you line up 10 people and they all grab a hot wire, everybody get shocked. try it if you don't believe. we can buy a short chunk of wire with a gcfi molded on the end. make one if you can't buy one. if you keep losing it i will sell you one for $500.00 free shipping. i'll bet you don't lose it then. i don't have time to came to your funeral. breid.....

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                    • #25
                      Re: plumber dies under hotel

                      Soooo i take it That working in a hole with rain running in and Running the Sawzall off the NON Gfi Generator was Not the Best Idea

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                      • #26
                        Re: plumber dies under hotel

                        why not the GFI will trip if it is two wet
                        Charlie

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                        • #27
                          Re: plumber dies under hotel

                          Originally posted by breid1903 View Post
                          we can buy a short chunk of wire with a gcfi molded on the end. make one if you can't buy one.
                          you cant do this it wont be UL listed and OSHA wont allow it
                          Charlie

                          My seek the peek fundraiser page
                          http://observatory.mountwashington.o...nal&fr_id=1040


                          http://www.mountwashington.org/weather/conditions.php

                          new work pictures 12/09
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                          • #28
                            Re: plumber dies under hotel

                            you may not be allowed to make your own cord but i'm sure you can still buy the ready made cords. they are about 3' long. plug your cord into that. also about the cell phone, put it in zipper bag. breid..........
                            Last edited by breid1903; 08-30-2009, 03:02 PM. Reason: can't spell

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                            • #29
                              Re: plumber dies under hotel

                              been to the critter show or i would have posted this earlier. google "gfci ul listed and osha cords". take your pick of the litter. these are what i'm talking about. stay out of the trees. breid.............

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                              • #30
                                Re: plumber dies under hotel

                                i have two typs the one with a little pig tail on ot and the one that just plugs into the outlet then the cord goes into it
                                Charlie

                                My seek the peek fundraiser page
                                http://observatory.mountwashington.o...nal&fr_id=1040


                                http://www.mountwashington.org/weather/conditions.php

                                new work pictures 12/09
                                http://public.fotki.com/hvachawk/

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