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  • #61
    Re: 2 Valve to Pressure Balance Conversion

    What's wrong with putting the wax ring on the toilet?

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    • #62
      Re: 2 Valve to Pressure Balance Conversion

      Originally posted by JCsPlumbing View Post
      The link works fine. I clicked it again directly from the post I provided just to make sure. It is a 17.3 MB HansGrohe Technical Manual in .pdf format that contains the specific valve that genogardner installed with diagrams for install depending on how one wants it to operate.

      TheMaster: "I cant find any that says NOT to install a loop and specifically says it will work without a loop....Can You?"

      Pages 19-20 answers your questions.



      J.C.
      Ok I got the link to work and I already read that. Its not a piping diagram is a layout/function diagram. Sure depending on what the flow rates of the bodysprays are it would not be noticable with lower flow rates......MAYBE. It depends on the location of the sprays in relation to each other. I even said that already that I believed it worked when just the body sprays are on.

      Balanced loops work every time.....thats why geno attempted to do one...then in the middle of it he decided to do a hybrid parallel/blanced loop design that didn't serve a purpose or match the "layout" by hansgrohe.

      So what kinda piping did he do? Art? Hybrid top secret engineer fluid dynamics?

      What diagram did he follow? Find that diagram for me.

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      • #63
        Re: 2 Valve to Pressure Balance Conversion

        Originally posted by Big Jim View Post
        What's wrong with putting the wax ring on the toilet?
        It goes under the tank of course. Simple wax dynamics.


        J.C.

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        • #64
          Re: 2 Valve to Pressure Balance Conversion

          And another thing. Where's the nobility in admitting your mistakes
          if you're not willing to correct them?
          Last edited by Big Jim; 02-10-2011, 08:45 PM.

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          • #65
            Re: 2 Valve to Pressure Balance Conversion

            Originally posted by Big Jim View Post
            And another thing. Where's the nobility in admitting you mistakes
            if you're not willing to correct them?
            Don't know.


            J.C.

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            • #66
              Re: 2 Valve to Pressure Balance Conversion

              Originally posted by Big Jim View Post
              What's wrong with putting the wax ring on the toilet?
              The wax must ultimately seal the flange to the bowl. The best way to accomplish this is to put the wax seal on the flange and then set the bowl.

              Originally posted by JCsPlumbing View Post
              It goes under the tank of course. Simple wax dynamics.


              J.C.
              You have it all figured out.

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              • #67
                Re: 2 Valve to Pressure Balance Conversion

                Oh, well. This wax thing is gonna keep me up tonight!

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                • #68
                  Re: 2 Valve to Pressure Balance Conversion

                  Originally posted by Big Jim View Post
                  And another thing. Where's the nobility in admitting your mistakes
                  if you're not willing to correct them?
                  There was no mistake made....the pipe has a ding in it. BFD. With the flow rates of a shower valve its not an issue.....again fluid dynamics comes up I bet a propress connection does more than that to copper...what do you think?

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                  • #69
                    Re: 2 Valve to Pressure Balance Conversion

                    Originally posted by TheMaster View Post
                    The best way to accomplish this is to put the wax seal on the flange and then set the bowl.
                    Wow. Wax dynamics is a lot more complicated than I imagined.

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                    • #70
                      Re: 2 Valve to Pressure Balance Conversion

                      Originally posted by Big Jim View Post
                      Wow. Wax dynamics is a lot more complicated than I imagined.


                      Wait, oh crap now someone is gonna' want to tell me all the ways I don't know anything at all about the wax in some valves.

                      Ya'll remember Devo?


                      J.C.

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                      • #71
                        Re: 2 Valve to Pressure Balance Conversion

                        Originally posted by TheMaster View Post
                        There was no mistake made....
                        Oh, so you installed that piece of dinged copper on purpose?

                        As for pro press...never used it, but I have seen plenty of leaks
                        from dinged copper pipe. Admittedly it takes time, but it can
                        and does happen. Why take that chance?

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                        • #72
                          Re: 2 Valve to Pressure Balance Conversion

                          Originally posted by Big Jim View Post
                          Wow. Wax dynamics is a lot more complicated than I imagined.
                          Originally posted by JCsPlumbing View Post


                          Wait, oh crap now someone is gonna' want to tell me all the ways I don't know anything at all about the wax in some valves.

                          Ya'll remember Devo?


                          J.C.
                          You two guys need a tent to throw over your circus instead of a plumbing license.

                          I'll stand by a balanced loop is the proper way to install bodysprays and what genogardner posted as an example of his pipe bending turned out to be a chinese puzzel that he punked himself with...while he was taking a STAB at my work.

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                          • #73
                            Re: 2 Valve to Pressure Balance Conversion

                            Originally posted by JCsPlumbing View Post

                            Ya'll remember Devo?


                            J.C.

                            Whip it, baby!

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                            • #74
                              Re: 2 Valve to Pressure Balance Conversion

                              Originally posted by TheMaster View Post
                              You two guys need a tent to throw over your circus instead of a plumbing license.
                              Does that mean I need a license to run my circus?

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                              • #75
                                Re: 2 Valve to Pressure Balance Conversion

                                Originally posted by Big Jim View Post
                                Oh, so you installed that piece of dinged copper on purpose?

                                As for pro press...never used it, but I have seen plenty of leaks
                                from dinged copper pipe. Admittedly it takes time, but it can
                                and does happen. Why take that chance?
                                Sorry but the flow rates are not enough to make a difference for a shower valve. I didn't install it on purpose but I would have installed it anyway because I know it will not matter with the flow froma shower valve. Theres no chance being taken. Do your homework on the subject,I cant teach you what I've learned from years of study and practical experience on a forum.

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