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    Here in the midsouth we rarely see the kind of lows that are happening over the next few days. Below 10 degrees and not projected to get out of the teens till wednesday. You gentlemen up north are used to it I'm sure. Do you bring your glues and caulks etc into the shop/house every night to keep them from freezing? I definitely bring in my r.p.device tester.
    "Man will do many things to get himself loved, he will do all things to get himself envied." Mark Twain

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    i dont do anything like that. if i need caulk i'll get a small tube as needed. anything that may freeze and be damaged will get flushed with rv antifreeze and dumped dry.

    make sure you have the proper mix of antifreeze in your vehicle engine, too much water and... oops... the sprinter DEF tank freezes at 18 degrees. it takes 20 minutes of slow/limp mode driving to thaw it.
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    ... it was plumbed by Ray Charles and his helper Stevie Wonder

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    • #3
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      Originally posted by Plumber Punky View Post
      i dont do anything like that. if i need caulk i'll get a small tube as needed. anything that may freeze and be damaged will get flushed with rv antifreeze and dumped dry.

      make sure you have the proper mix of antifreeze in your vehicle engine, too much water and... oops... the sprinter DEF tank freezes at 18 degrees. it takes 20 minutes of slow/limp mode driving to thaw it.
      Sounds like the sprinter should have had a heating coil installed in the tank. Or a heating pad to plug in. Cant picture every new diesel with def needing to go non turbo limp every morning and every evening on the way to and from work.

      Seems like anything that can freeze should be protected by a heating device.

      Rick.
      phoebe it is

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      • #4
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        nope just run the caulk under hot water when you get to the job same with wax rings. or forget to until you need them. you guys are going to have a ton of frozen pipes. have fun


        My soapy water for leak detection is always frozen. I wish I brought that in, but I don't
        Last edited by saysflushable; 01-06-2014, 03:01 PM.

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        • #5
          Re: Freezing temps and fluids

          Originally posted by saysflushable View Post
          My soapy water for leak detection is always frozen. I wish I brought that in, but I don't
          I bought that fluorescent soap stuff once. it doenst freeze but makes a hell of a mess. it's too thick and too colorful.

          Originally posted by PLUMBER RICK View Post
          Sounds like the sprinter should have had a heating coil installed in the tank. Or a heating pad to plug in. Cant picture every new diesel with def needing to go non turbo limp every morning and every evening on the way to and from work.

          Seems like anything that can freeze should be protected by a heating device.

          Rick.

          it does have a heating device. but, it is only activated when the engine is running. actually if i run ut almost daily the freeze problem is nearly negated. if i run it only every other day, then limp mode is sometimes activated. it's not horrible, it just takes about 1 mile to make 65 mph and any slight hill will result in lost speed down to about 55 mph. any red light is a blessing as i can shut off the engine and restart. limpmode goes away.

          there is no other external heating device. the DEF tank is designed to handle the expanded water/urea mix when frozen.
          ~~

          ... it was plumbed by Ray Charles and his helper Stevie Wonder

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          • #6
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            Yesterday morning at 7 am my Sprinter thermostat read -25 degrees F when i opened the door to start the truck. The engine reluctantly started but only because I have a heater installed in the engine I turned around went back into the house until 2 pm. By then it was up to -15 degrees F.

            This morning it was downright warm at -11 degrees F. Today it actually got up to 4 degrees.

            Chilly these days.
            Time flies like an arrow.

            Fruit flies like a banana.

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              mine has the internal heater but i never use it. i only use the glow plugs. no problems today at -5 with either starting or the frozen def tank.
              ~~

              ... it was plumbed by Ray Charles and his helper Stevie Wonder

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                mine has no heater and i've had all my glow plugs replaced in under 30,000 miles. problem is dealer only does the bad ones as they show up under warranty. so 4 trips later they were all replaced including the glow plug module. amazing as my glow plugs should never be used in my climate 9 months of the years.


                rick.
                phoebe it is

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                • #9
                  Re: Freezing temps and fluids

                  Originally posted by PLUMBER RICK View Post
                  mine has no heater and i've had all my glow plugs replaced in under 30,000 miles. problem is dealer only does the bad ones as they show up under warranty. so 4 trips later they were all replaced including the glow plug module. amazing as my glow plugs should never be used in my climate 9 months of the years.
                  a common misconception is that they are only used for cold weather. they are used for every start and continue to run until the engine reaches a steady operating temperature. this is for emissions purposes. the steady state of every model of diesel engine is different. i would imagine that it would be somewhere on the order of 140 degrees or so. i use this number based on my duramax diesel engine. the high idle speed drops once this temperature is reached.

                  there are computer mods/reprogrammers available that will allow you to delete the glow plug use altogether, as well as the max speed, shift points, and limp modes. though, in CA the glow plug delete may be problematic for your emissions check.
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                  ... it was plumbed by Ray Charles and his helper Stevie Wonder

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                  • #10
                    Re: Freezing temps and fluids

                    the diesel particulate filter regeneration also uses the glow plugs to bring up the temperature.


                    in a year or so, the emissions test will be a check engine light only. no more dyno the engine and spinning the wheels.


                    my generators and jetter have glow plugs and I never need to use them.


                    rick.
                    phoebe it is

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                    • #11
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                      this morning furnace quit at 3:00 am, 5 below outside!
                      water froze up hard and busted water meter. and main valve is leaking if turned on.
                      water co. guys will turn off tap main so we can fix the lines
                      furnace is under warranty so i cant even get the local hvac tech to look at it.
                      specialist is calling in the morning to set up time to come out
                      had to dig out my kerosun heaters and block off most of the rooms in house.

                      so im spending my time covered up on the couch
                      and to top it all off i think im coming down with the flu.

                      oh butt fudge!

                      im kinda tired of the cold anymore
                      shooting the s*** is a lot more fun when you use hollow points (much more splatter)

                      coffee hell gimme booze!!!

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                      • #12
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                        in regards to your furnace, you can have ANY tech or company that deals with that equipment look at it for warranty purposes. Some may not want to if they didnt install it or may look at it and charge a fee (if they didnt install it).

                        typical problems in high eff units are frozen vent pipes. go outside and clean out any ice crystals seen on/in the pipes. disconnect the intake from inside, at the furnace, if possible. if that doesnt do it, read the led error codes if you have them, post them here and i can possibly look it up to see where to point your troubleshooting skills.
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                        ... it was plumbed by Ray Charles and his helper Stevie Wonder

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                        • #13
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                          Originally posted by PLUMBER RICK View Post


                          my generators and jetter have glow plugs and I never need to use them.


                          rick.

                          Your jetter and generators use diesel fuel?
                          Time flies like an arrow.

                          Fruit flies like a banana.

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                          • #14
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                            [QUOTE=saysflushable;411176 you guys are going to have a ton of frozen pipes. have fun [/QUOTE]

                            Everyone of us just finished a 100 hour week fixing frozen pipes. We are turning down calls still.

                            David

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                            • #15
                              Re: Freezing temps and fluids

                              Originally posted by geno gardner View Post
                              Your jetter and generators use diesel fuel?
                              3 diesel generators and 1 diesel welder/ generator. 1 generator and the welder has glow plugs.

                              A 50hp diesel jetter. Has glow plugs, but no need to waste the power on it.

                              Rick.
                              phoebe it is

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