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    1970 house kitchen drain , its been slow for awhile and got to the point that it would drain but it took a couple of hours . now its totally blocked

    everything else in the house drains fine

    1 1/2 " line , Im guesing about 15-20' to the main

    I have a Rigid "power spin " auger I have been on the roof and down the vent , under the sink with the trap off going directly into the drain full 25'probably ten times or so times , no diffrence.

    I get a little bit of what looks like hair on the screw end ,but not much.(compared to what I've seen in the past ) usually the screw tip comes out clean

    I tried the enzyme treatment , several times

    tried boiling water.

    nothing sems to make a diffrence.

    not sure what the next step should be

  • #2
    Originally posted by skip555:
    1970 house kitchen drain , its been slow for awhile and got to the point that it would drain but it took a couple of hours . now its totally blocked

    everything else in the house drains fine

    1 1/2 " line , Im guesing about 15-20' to the main

    I have a Rigid "power spin " auger I have been on the roof and down the vent , under the sink with the trap off going directly into the drain full 25'probably ten times or so times , no diffrence.

    I get a little bit of what looks like hair on the screw end ,but not much.(compared to what I've seen in the past ) usually the screw tip comes out clean

    I tried the enzyme treatment , several times

    tried boiling water.

    nothing sems to make a diffrence.

    not sure what the next step should be
    I'm going to let you in on a plumber's secret. I hope some of the service guys don't get pissed that I've told you, but here it is:


    YOUR DRAIN IS STOPPED-UP


    Here's the top secret way to fix it.


    RUN THE SNAKE DOWN YOUR DRAIN UNTIL YOU HIT
    THE STOPPAGE


    When you hit it attempt to clear it. If you can't call a plumber.

    the dog
    the dog

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    • #3
      SKIP, LET ME GIVE YOU A REAL ANSWER. "DOG" HAS BEEN ON THE PORCH FOR A FEW WEEKS NOW.
      IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE WITH THIS KITCHEN SINK DRAIN. TYPICALLY A KITCHEN SINK DRAIN IS PRONE TO FOOD AND GREASE. I ALWAYS TRY TO CLEAN IT FROM AN OUTSIDE CLEAN OUT. A ROOF VENT IS NOT ALWAYS THE EASIEST SPOT. IF YOUR SINK IS PLUGGED AND HAS STANDING WATER IN IT, THEN YOUR SNAKE SHOULD COME BACK WET IF THE VENT PIPE IS ALLOWING YOU TO PROPERLY ACCESS THE WASTE LINE. CHANCES ARE THE 25' CABLE IS NOT LONG ENOUGH FROM THE ROOF. YOU PROBABLY LOSE 15' FROM THE VENT. GOING FROM THE TRAP ARM IS A CLOSER RUN, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE WATER TO HELP FLUSH THE PIPE AS YOU CLEAN. IF YOU ARE SURE THAT THE RUN IS TRULEY LESS THAN 25' THEN YOU CAN TRY GOING FROM THE DIVERTER TEE OF THE 2 PART WASTE WHILE THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SINK IS STILL HOOKED UP. THIS IS ASSUMING THAT YOU HAVE A 2 COMPARTMENT SINK SHARING THE SAME TRAP ARM. BY SNAKING WITH THE TRAP STILL IN PLACE, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO RUN WATER AND SEE WHEN IT CLEARS AS YOU SNAKE. CHANCES ARE THAT YOU WILL NEED A LONGER CABLE AND POSSIBLY A BIGGER CABLE WITH A CUTTER. I LIKE A 3/8'' CABLE ON A KITCHEN LINE. IF THE HOUSE HAS A CRAWL SPACE THEN YOU CAN CHECK THE REAL FOOTAGE TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE REACHED THE MAXIMUN DISTANCE NEEDED. ONCE AGAIN USING THE PROPER COMBINATION OF TOOL AND TECHNIQUE WILL GET YOU GOING AGAIN. YOU MIGHT NEED TO RENT THE PROPER TOOL.
      HOPE THIS HAS HELPED A LITTLE.

      RICK.

      IF IT MATTERS ANY, A KITCHEN SINK LINE IS THE HARDEST LINE IN THE HOUSE TO CLEAN. ALSO THE MESSIEST TO WORK ON.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by PLUMBER RICK:
        RICK.

        IF IT MATTERS ANY, A KITCHEN SINK LINE IS THE HARDEST LINE IN THE HOUSE TO CLEAN. ALSO THE MESSIEST TO WORK ON.
        I agree I don't think you've gone far enough to hit the stoppage.

        BTW: I always felt a tub drain was the hardest drain in the house to clear.

        Mark

        [ 08-01-2005, 01:06 AM: Message edited by: ToUtahNow ]
        "Somewhere a Village is Missing Twelve Idiots!" - Casey Anthony

        I never lost a cent on the jobs I didn't get!

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        • #5
          hmmm no magic cures ,

          the house is single story ranch drain runs under the slab .

          I have taken trap off and worked from under the sink .

          I checkd out home depot and I can rent a 50'power auger so it looks like thats the next step

          dog

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          • #6
            Originally posted by skip555:
            hmmm no magic cures ,

            the house is single story ranch drain runs under the slab .

            I have taken trap off and worked from under the sink .

            I checkd out home depot and I can rent a 50'power auger so it looks like thats the next step

            dog
            Be careful with the snake and make sure to wear gloves. Do not have too much cable out of the basket which is not down the line. If you hit a hard spot go easy and lock the cable down.

            If you hit the stoppage at 26' still run the entire lenght of the cable. The hard part is getting the equipment to the job. The easy part is running the cable so run the entire thing.

            Mark
            "Somewhere a Village is Missing Twelve Idiots!" - Casey Anthony

            I never lost a cent on the jobs I didn't get!

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            • #7
              thanks mark

              im planing to run the cable from the roof stack

              would that be correct ? it seems like thats what Ive seen plumbers do . the under the sink is really crowded the wall stub has a 45 tword the dishwasher which makes it evan more ackword

              good idea about running it all in fact im planing on doing the two bathrooms while I have it

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              • #8
                SKIPP, THE ROOF IS FINE AS LONG AS THE VENT DOESN'T HAVE A VENT 90, ELBOW. IF YOU HIT REAL HARD RESISTANCE PRIOR TO THE TRAP, TEE, THEN STOP. THE VENT MIGHT NOT BE A STRAIGHT SHOT. ALSO KEEP THE SINK FULL OF WATER TO KNOW WHEN YOU HIT THE STOPPAGE. AT THIS POINT WORK THE CABLE AND CUTTER BACK AND FORTH TO CLEAN OUT THIS PROBLEM AREA. MAKE SURE YOU SECURE THE MACHINE TO THE ROOF IF IT'S PITCHED. A ROPE AROUND A VENT PIPE IS GOOD.
                GOOD LUCK.
                RICK.

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                • #9
                  The roof is not my favorite place to snake a drain from and I only use it if nothing else is available.

                  Like Rick said keep the sink full of water and when it goes down have someone turn as much hot on as you can and keep snaking.

                  You may want to run the snake through the stoppage the first time without a blade on it.

                  Unless you are a body builder break the snake down to get it on the roof and BE CAREFULL!

                  Mark

                  [ 08-02-2005, 12:19 PM: Message edited by: ToUtahNow ]
                  "Somewhere a Village is Missing Twelve Idiots!" - Casey Anthony

                  I never lost a cent on the jobs I didn't get!

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                  • #10
                    The roof was always my last choice, and if the roof was very steep it was not even considered. Remove the disposer if you have to in order get better access to your drain. You've already had the trap off. As you run the cable in, move it back and forth during the entire time to ensure breaking up the clog and possibly breaking up other areas of muck not yet causing a clog.. Buy a roll of 4 mil plastic and roll it out to protect your floor and the walls inside your cabinet, it will make clean up much easier. Plus you can use it in your bathrooms to help keep the mess down.

                    Note, while at home depot pick up a disposer gasket, when you remove the disposer slip in a new gasket. its going to cost you a whopping 4 bucks. In fact if the disposer is over ten years old it would be a good time to upgrade to one with stainless steel cutters and a bigger motor. ISE makes very good ones and I think they are still made here in the USA.

                    One note, enzyme treatments work wonderful for preventitive maintenance and if you follow the manufacturers instructions. They will not work on an already plugged or mostly plugged drain. After you have opened your drain it would be an excellent time to begin your enzyme treatment program.

                    I would avoid the roof is possible, unless you are looking for an excuse to buy a good ladder and a harness.
                    Work hard, Play hard, Sleep easy.

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                    • #11
                      Hey guys, I have the same problem but one difference. I can drain my sink if I hold down the stopper on the one side and run the disposal on the other side. It all drains out of the disposal side except some which runs back up when I turn off the disposal. If I don't stop up one side it just equalizes in the two sinks. 70's style ranch on concrete slab and I can't find a clean out for the kitchen. Ran a snake as far as I could (15 feet) but no obstruction. Just strange it will empty by running the disposal.

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                      • #12
                        TEX, SHH. DON'T GIVE AWAY AN INSIDE TRICK.

                        WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING IS TYPICALLY CAUSED BY A LOCAL STOPPAGE. THE DISPOSAL ACTS A PUMP. BLOCKING THE STRAINER SIDE FORCES THE WATER DOWN THE DRAIN, UP THE VENT, OR BACK INTO THE DISHWASHER AIRGAP.

                        WHERE DID YOU SNAKE FROM? THE STRAINER OR THE TRAP?
                        TRY PINCHING OFF THE RUBBER DISHWASHER/ AIRGAP HOSE. VICE GRIPS WORK GOOD. RETRY OUR INSIDE TRICK.
                        IF IT'S STILL BLOCKED CHECK THE DIVERTER TEE AND TRAP. IF ALL ELSE FAILS TRY HOT WATER AND REPEAT.

                        STILL BAD. YOU NEED A LONGER SNAKE?

                        RICK.

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                        • #13
                          well...don't have a dishwasher. So where is the water going? I must need a longer snake..but I remove the pipes under the sink and snaked right from the wall. Just wondered if my roof vent may be clogged? Don't have a ladder so haven't been up there yet.

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                          • #14
                            TEX, THE WATER IS GETTING PAST THE STOPPAGE UNDER THE PRESSURE OF THE PUMPING. OR IT'S GOING INTO THE VENT AND THEN DRAINING. IF YOUR WASTE TUBING IS CLEAN TO THE TRAP, THEN YOU NEED A LARGER SNAKE. A KITHEN SINK IS EASIER TO CLEAN WITH THE USE OF WATER IN THE DRAIN. THIS HELPS TO FLUSH IT OUT AND LETS YOU NOW WHEN YOU HIT THE STOPPAGE. A LARGER SNAKE WILL BE ABLE TO DISPLACE THE STOPPAGE MUCH EASIER. IF YOU CAN BORROW OR RENT A LARGER SNAKE TRY THAT. IF YOU CAN GET INTO THE VENT LINE, TRY THAT. IF THE VENT IS A STRAIGHT RUN DOWN, NO VENT 90'S, YOU'LL HAVE EASY ACCESS TO RUN THE CABLE DOWN. ALSO KEEPING A FULL SINK OF WATER WHILE SNAKING FROM VENT WILL MAKE IT SIMPLE TO KNOW WHEN YOU HIT AND CLEAR THE STOPPAGE.

                            FOOD WILL WASH AWAY EASY, GREASE BUILD UP IS A MESS. A GOOD SNAKING WITH WATER RUNNING AFTER YOU CLEAR IT WILL HELP. A HYDROJETTER IS THE BEST FOR GREASE, BUT ALSO NOT A DO IT YOURSELF JOB.

                            RICK.

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                            • #15
                              try using a 1 1/2 blow bag,attach to washing machine hot water,sounds like line has no pitch,grease and grime is packed like a sponge throughout the run,cable wont loosen it all

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