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  • #31
    OK now I understand. Thanks mark for the link
    info for all: http://www.hoistman.com http://www.freeyabb.com/phpbb/index....wwtoolinfoforu --- "I like long walks, especially when they are taken by people who annoy me."

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    • #32
      Papadan, try a Google search using the spelling "Jet-Swet", without the quotations of course.

      Anyway, here's a URL to Brenelle's site (manufacturer of jet-swets);

      http://www.brenelle.com/

      They are basically just rubber plugs with long handles. You can use them with a full port valve by first fitting the valve on a pipe, inserting the jet swet through it past the valve into the pipe, turning the handle which makes the plug expand and stop the water flow, then sweat the valve on and pull the jet swet out. Then you can close the valve and continue working leak-free, as long as the pressure of the "leak" is'nt so high that it prohibits decent use of this method.

      There are other brands available also which work in the exact same way but are somewhat cheaper. I persoanlly use a set of Baron pipe plugs made by Atlanta Specialty Products and sold in many plumb supply shops. Got an entire 1/2" thru 2 1/2" set for about 100$ and they work just as well as my Jet-Swets.

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      • #33
        Heh, beat me to it Utah.

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        • #34
          bobby, the ridgid superfreeze 2500 and 2000 are good machines when used under proper conditions.
          there can't be any water flow when trying to freeze the pipe. works good for dead ended lines.
          very expensive to buy, but much easier to use than the co2 freeze bags.
          i own both the superfreeze and the co2 style. i use the superfreeze over the co2 except for large pipe. 2'' and over.

          rick.

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          • #35
            "there can't be any water flow when trying to freeze the pipe."

            If there was'nt any water flow, I could sweat the pipe.

            What's the point? I don't quite understand that.

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            • #36
              AZPlumber,

              What Rick means is that you cannot walk up to a line in use with water flowing and freeze it. It will also not work if you have cut the line and a lot of water is moving through the pipe trying to drain.

              The watre in the pipe must be static.
              Work hard, Play hard, Sleep easy.

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              • #37
                Plumber Rick

                Thanks for the info on your experience with pipe freezing. Live in a 40 year old life care retirement complex that has many shut off valves to our individual apartments that are frozen in the open position. Every time there is a problem in one unit, the entire building must be turned off and drained from the 3rd floor down, resulting in no water for 4 to 8 hours. I keep trying to tell the maintenance crew that there has to be a better way of replacing all these old shut off valves.I am pssing your info on to them and will keep you posted.

                Bobby

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                • #38
                  bobby, if you assure there is no flow, (dripping faucets, toilets) you should be ok. plumber hit it on the button. this is an ideal situation for pipe freezing. i tend to do medical and office buildngs with this equiptment.
                  you will know within a few minutes if the line will freeze. frost will start to form around the freeze heads and pipe if there is no flow. otherwise it will look like a normal pipe. the freeze time is approx. 10-30 minutes depending on pipe size. faster with co2. co2 is -109 degrees. not sure what the ridgid unit operates at. problem with co2 is the tanks are heavy and co2 is not too good in confined locations.

                  a good ridgid rep can demo this unit prior to purchase.

                  rick.

                  ps. another fast way of replacing these faulty valves is to use a propress to install the new ball valves. this way you don't need to wait for the water to stop dripping. can't go wrong with the 2 tools, propress and superfreeze. if i only had the 1, it would be the propress.

                  [ 11-14-2005, 08:50 PM: Message edited by: PLUMBER RICK ]

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                  • #39
                    OK, fine, but most of the time when I need to stop flow in order to repair a line I have ALREADY cut into it and there is ALREADY water flow, obviously.

                    So, the only real time these things work well is if you use it before making a cut or disconnection?

                    Sorry, not trying to be dense or irritating, I just still don't see the point. Think I'll stick to Jet-Swets or compression valves, lol.

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                    • #40
                      Plumber Rick,

                      Can you give me a hyperlink to get info on the propress

                      Bobby

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                      • #41
                        az, the purpose of freezing a pipe is to keep from having to shut off the water to an entire building or area. a section of pipe can be isolated to allow for the installation of a valve and or tee. this process is primarly used in hospitals and office complexes. typically not on residential.

                        not every application is feasable to freeze. there can't be any flow and you need some space from the freeze head to solder. that's why the propress is a fast and safe method. if there is a leak after soldering, you won't be able to refreeze.

                        with a jet swet you need to shut off the water and drain the system.

                        i don't use the freeze method as much as i use the jet swets. sooner or later i'll say the same about soldering and propress. soldering dropping off and propress picking up.

                        rick.

                        bobby, look up at this ridgid site for a demo. product demonstrations on the top of this page.

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                        • #42
                          Rick,

                          This is where I agree with you about the pro press system 100%.
                          Work hard, Play hard, Sleep easy.

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                          • #43
                            Rick, thank you for your time and explanation, I understand the freeze units use now more clearly.

                            Most of my service plumbing does'nt really require un-interruption of water supply to rest of building, I don't do alot of big commercial jobs where that would be a major concern. I can see though it's use in places like hospitals.

                            Anyway, thanks again.

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                            • #44
                              Re: Water in the pipes - low tech style

                              Hi dog, we miss you
                              I can build anything You want , if you draw a picture of it , on the back of a big enough check .

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