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    Just got back from the Ole HD to a flooded kitchen floor. The plastic water line to the fridge had sprang a leak. Maybe it is my fault as this line is 7 years old. What is the normal life of those plastic lines? Should I replace it with copper?
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  • #2
    tod , i never use those lines.it's either copper or the newer stainless water flex lines. depending on the heat , sunlight, bends it's exposed to. 7 years is not too bad.

    rick.
    phoebe it is

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    • #3
      I have never seen the stainless, are they pricey?
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      • #4
        Originally posted by PLUMBER RICK
        tod , i never use those lines.it's either copper or the newer stainless water flex lines. depending on the heat , sunlight, bends it's exposed to. 7 years is not too bad.

        rick.
        I'm with Rick. Plastic lines are not the answer. Your experience is why.
        the dog

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        • #5
          TOD,

          Is a flooded kitchen floor pricey? Had you been away for vacation it could have been a disaster.

          I like the copper better but the new flex stainless is not much more and easy for a do it yourselfer.
          Work hard, Play hard, Sleep easy.

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          • #6
            They did not have the stainlees and I have had bad luck kinking copper. I went with a braided pvc, hope it holds up.
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            • #7
              It's so easy even a sparky might be able do it

              "I have had bad luck kinking copper"

              This just shouldn't be. Bending 1/4" soft copper tubing is no mystery. You should be able to do a decent job hand bending down to a 3" radius with no trouble. For less than $5 you could get a spring bender or a cheapo shoe bender, but for a ice maker install I can't see the need for either. Go slow and support the tubing in the area of the bend with your hands.

              Leave a good size coil (about 12" diameter or more) of copper behind the fridge, and position it so that when you pull the machine out form the wall it will open up accordion fashion like a big slinky being stretched out. there should be a enough wraps of copper in the coil to allow the fridge to be pulled out 3 or 4 feet.

              I never re-use copper tube for icemaker lines. When I get a new ice box, I get new tubing also. When I make a new hookup after a move, I use new tubing. Nothing I am aware of that says you have to do that, its just what I do out of habit. We never re-used old tubing when I was jobbing, which is probably where I picked up the practice from. That was almost thirty years ago.


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              • #8
                Why does everyone think copper is such a durable material? Everyone in my neighborhood, including myself, is having to replumb the entire supply system in our houses because they used copper supply in the slab. A few have spent the money to have the leaks located, then broke up the slab and fixed the leak, but it always ends up leaking somewhere else. I'm using PEX because now I have no choice but to have the plumbing in the attic, and even if I were to trust copper not to rot out from the inside, I know from experience that copper will break when it freezes. Pex will not. I realize that ice machine supply lines are a slightly different animal, but I just need to vent from time to time. Copper leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

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                • #9
                  "Copper leaves a bad taste in my mouth"

                  Literally, financially, or both?

                  My preference for copper is because I trust it more than poly tubing in this application. I guess the preference for copper can be influenced by local, this is differences in water quality will affect how well copper performs in one area over another for untreated water, or water that is not treated correctly too I would expect too. Copper 'rot' as you put it not the fault of the material (maybe for poor quality imported crap it is), its the environment that it is working in. Either the process fluid (here we are talking about potable water) or the ambient conditions impact its performance from a durability standpoint. Yes copper can split if the water inside freezes, that is not likely in an interior living space though.

                  If you are truly 'tasting' the copper in your water then you need your water analyzed and probably a treatment system installed in my opinion. If the water is harsh enough to give you that copper taste, then it is slowly eroding the metal and it is being carried out the tap into you glass where you are "tasting" it.
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                  • #10
                    Leaving a bad taste in my mouth was just a lame attempt at humor. FYI we are on a public water system. They blame the pipe manufacturer, the pipe manufacturer blames the water. Other brands of pipe in our area, don't seem to have this problem. This brand pipe doesn't seem to have this problem in other areas. Metals seem to be very electrochemically reactive, whereas plastics are not. I know there have been problems with plastics in the past, but my experience tends to colour my view of pipe materals. I am much more comfortable with PEX overhead than copper. I have had my overhead lines freeze solid once already. They thawed without a hint of a problem. Try that with copper.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Clovishound
                      Everyone in my neighborhood, including myself, is having to replumb the entire supply system in our houses because they used copper supply in the slab.
                      you said COPPER SUPPLY IN THE SLAB

                      if the copper was in the concrete THAT'S WHAT IS THE PROBLEM

                      i started doing plumbing on long island and had to do a lot of radiant heat in the floor of the old Levitt homes .this was because they put the copper pipe right in the concrete.

                      you said that the leak was not where they started . thats because water will travel to a crack then come up

                      i used a stethoscope to listen to the noise of the water coming out of the pipe . and this was about 95% accurate and did not have to chop up a lot of the floor.
                      now most of the homes went over to baseboard heat .
                      Charlie

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                      • #12
                        You all are scaring me. My home is also a slab with copper running under or through it. Home is 30 years old I have been it for 10 and so far so good. Is this really a big problem?
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                        • #13
                          yes it con be

                          can you see were the copper comes out of the slab?
                          the copper may have bin put into a sleeve then this may by you some time.
                          my house is on a slab wit the water lines under the floor in a sleeve and
                          i still had to replace it because the pipe got all green and started to leak.
                          i was going to try to pull new pex pipe throw the sleeve but it was to hard . i was able to run them in the walls.

                          just keep a eye on the pipe to see if it looks green or if your water bill goes to hight .
                          Charlie

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                          • #14
                            No sleeve pipe to slab contact.
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                            • #15


                              I'd ask around your neighborhood to see if anyone had a problem with .
                              Charlie

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                              new work pictures 12/09
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