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  • MS1290LZA slider - did Ridgid finally get it right?

    way back when i bought an ms1290lz despite reading about some of the tracking issues brought up on this forum. sure enough, as you pushed back, the blade would track to the right anywhere about 1/16 of an inch. it went straight back to home depot and i continuted using my dewalt dw716 (which has a few quirks but overall i think is a great saw).

    i came across this thread here http://www.ridgidforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14955 that talked about a new ms1290lza. the lz1 seemed to exhibit the same problems as the lz (at least the floor models in the store did). i had an extra amex wishlist coupon left that would bring down the saw to $400 (if it worked i couldn't pass that up!) so i figured i'd give the new one a shot - what's the worst that could happen?

    picked up the new lza last week (and yes the laser is now adjustable - still pretty worthless since it's arbor mounted and if at an an angle it will be wrong at a bevel angle) and finally got around to checking it out today. after spending about 2 hours adjusting all the settings, i've learned:

    - the slide still tracks to the right BUT
    - it's no longer 1/16th to 1/8 of an inch
    - from my measurements, from extreme forward to extreme rear it would translate laterally anywhere between 2/128" (0.015) to 3/128" (0.023)
    - over a 12" span, thats between 0.074 - 0.112 degrees
    - i figure that can be attributed to a *very* slight amount of lateral play in the slide rails as well as my scales
    - no it's no perfect, but at worst case scenario, it exhibits only about 12% of the translation that the previous models did

    from the other thread it sounds like some of the people with lza's have found their saws to be pretty true and i've all but come to the same conclusion. unforuntately i didn't have time to power it up and cut some wood. assuming it works as well as the previous models in that respect, i'll be keeping it.

    not sure if i just got lucky on my pickup here, but for my needs it's more than adequate, especially for the price. this is my first experience with a slider - can anyone out there with one of the bosch's or makita's clue me into if what i'm seeing is good?

    hope this is useful.

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    Re: MS1290LZA slider - did Ridgid finally get it right?

    The Home Depot website doesn't even have the LZA available yet. This must have just come out. Are there any differences between the LZ and the LZA? The reason I am asking is because I am wondering if Ridgid is recognizing that there is a problem with the sliders on the LZ. I am seriously contemplating buying a LZ (I guess LZA now that they have redesigned the LZ) and would like to know if this sliding issue was a problem that actually needed re-engineering (hence coming out with the updated LZA) or if it was simply a couple of guys that didn't take the time to properly set up their saw.

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    • #3
      Re: MS1290LZA slider - did Ridgid finally get it right?

      Originally posted by Jayfer Rattrap View Post
      The Home Depot website doesn't even have the LZA available yet. This must have just come out. Are there any differences between the LZ and the LZA? The reason I am asking is because I am wondering if Ridgid is recognizing that there is a problem with the sliders on the LZ. I am seriously contemplating buying a LZ (I guess LZA now that they have redesigned the LZ) and would like to know if this sliding issue was a problem that actually needed re-engineering (hence coming out with the updated LZA) or if it was simply a couple of guys that didn't take the time to properly set up their saw.
      I got this saw for Christmas (From Home Depot) and it's the LZA. I understand (from other posts on this site) that the A in LZA stands for "adjustable laser" I had read the complaints about this saw and not cutting straight bevels, but I'm kind of a Ridgid fan, and the present was purchased already anyway. I read through the directions, but haven't really spent much time making any adjustments. On a quick look (with a square) it seemed fine. I'm going to ask a more experienced friend to help me make sure it's properly set up though. So far, it seems fine to me.

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      • #4
        Re: MS1290LZA slider - did Ridgid finally get it right?

        Only some of the users have reported the problem with the 12" slider so it looks like it's just the luck of the draw. You might just have received a better on this time. The really bad ones are the non-sliders where is seems that pretty much every single one has the bevel cut misalignment problem.

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        • #5
          Re: MS1290LZA slider - did Ridgid finally get it right?

          Originally posted by Jayfer Rattrap View Post
          The Home Depot website doesn't even have the LZA available yet. This must have just come out. Are there any differences between the LZ and the LZA? The reason I am asking is because I am wondering if Ridgid is recognizing that there is a problem with the sliders on the LZ. I am seriously contemplating buying a LZ (I guess LZA now that they have redesigned the LZ) and would like to know if this sliding issue was a problem that actually needed re-engineering (hence coming out with the updated LZA) or if it was simply a couple of guys that didn't take the time to properly set up their saw.
          home depot's website is terrible. i find there's not a lot of product overlap with the stores. maybe that's by design. they still only have the lz and the lz1 on their website.

          to be honest, only one home depot in my area actually had the lz1 (and i live right down the street from their headquarters / flagship store in atlanta!!) in stock, so you may have to do some searching. not sure if the sku's are different, but i'll post mine when i get home.

          while i think my slider is pretty decent, it's got to be some tolerancing issue when they machine the parts. hopefully i didn't just get a good one, but they actually changed their tooling for the lza. i'd be real interested to see what everyone else finds.

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          • #6
            Re: MS1290LZA slider - did Ridgid finally get it right?

            Originally posted by Velosapien View Post
            Only some of the users have reported the problem with the 12" slider so it looks like it's just the luck of the draw. You might just have received a better on this time. The really bad ones are the non-sliders where is seems that pretty much every single one has the bevel cut misalignment problem.
            what's the bevel cut misalignment problem on the ridgids? i had a ryobi saw at one point that had a huge issue with this. blade was square to the fence but at 45 it would be about 3-4 degrees off. perhaps they're using the same crappy tooling on both lines, just different matierals.

            for what it's worth i had one hell of a time squaring this thing to the fence for bevel cuts. it seems to be right now, but i'm going to test out on some wood to see. in comparison to the dw716, it was *much* easier to square / check alignment on that one.

            doesn't give me a warm fuzzy.

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            • #7
              Re: MS1290LZA slider - did Ridgid finally get it right?

              The problem you describe is exactly the problem with the Ridgid. The Ryobi and Ridgid non-sliders are probably run off the same production line since they are both TTI made and are very similar. It's been going on for years and they still have not corrected it. The bad part is it looks like it affects every single one they make to some extent.

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                Re: MS1290LZA slider - did Ridgid finally get it right?

                Originally posted by Velosapien View Post
                The problem you describe is exactly the problem with the Ridgid. The Ryobi and Ridgid non-sliders are probably run off the same production line since they are both TTI made and are very similar. It's been going on for years and they still have not corrected it. The bad part is it looks like it affects every single one they make to some extent.
                TTI also owns Milwaukee, so does the Milwaukee get made on the same line also?

                Does Ford make the Escort and Lincoln Town car on the same line?

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                • #9
                  Re: MS1290LZA slider - did Ridgid finally get it right?

                  Originally posted by spintyer View Post
                  TTI also owns Milwaukee, so does the Milwaukee get made on the same line also?
                  It wouldn't surpirse me if they did. I actually would think it's highly likely. Some Milwaukee tools are starting to look almost identical to ridgid so I wouldn't doubt they are sharing a large number of parts.

                  The Ryobi saw and Ridgid saw are basically the same unit. The Ridgid one is just a little more refined in finish and features. The fact that they also replicate exactly the same tooling problems would seem to indicate it's very likely from the same production run.
                  Last edited by Velosapien; 01-18-2008, 08:33 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Re: MS1290LZA slider - did Ridgid finally get it right?

                    I love ridgid tools as they have always performed well for me and have been very dependable. I recently sold my Ridgid 12" compound miter saw to upgrade to the Ridgid 12" slider. After visiting this forum and hearing the many complaints about this saw not cutting straight I was a little hesitant about purchasing it.

                    A wise man once told me (my Dad), "believe half of what you see and nothing of what you hear". That is good advice for this saw. I got the MS1290LZA and could not be happier with it. I meticulously checked everything and I didn't even have to adjust a fence. Now that is rare, but I went through their instruction book twice and double checked everything.

                    It was off to cutting wood. I spent a good hour cutting as much wood as I could possibly feed this saw. Anything from a 2X4 to left over Brazillian Teak 3/4" prefinished flooring I have left over from the last house I built. The cuts were square and the bevels were money. After enough complaints from my wife I finally stopped this madness and decided to keep the saw.

                    I know some of you will say, "I got lucky and the majority of these saws don't cut straight". If you know what you are doing though or can follow direction you can check this saw and decide for yourself. Big Orange will take if back before 90 days if you don't like it.

                    You can't beat the deal right now $499. They also still had in stock one of last years portable miter tables for $99. Plus I got 10% off my total purchase. Out the door for just over $570.00. Can't beat that.

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