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    Many, many years ago I attended the New York School of Printing. This was a high school/trade school for the printing industry which is a shadow of it's former self. During my time there I was requiired to copy and write endless pages of safety instructions before being allowed near any of the machines. Throughout my life I have read and received safety instructions on all sorts of power equipment and it always bothers me how easy it is for the average person to walk into a Home Depot and buy any number of very dangerous power tools and machines. I won't list them all but table saws, circular saws, chainsaws, almost any power tool is unforegiving when matched against flesh and bone. I know most of you are in the Trades and have learned your lessons but for those of you reading these Forums and just starting to use power tools and machines, please take the time to read the instructions. Get the proper safety equipment and use it. Gloves, goggles, earplugs, dust masks or respirators. Don't be in a hurry to get that tool or machine out of the box plugged in and running before you have a thorough idea of how to use it. We have probably had similar Threads but this deserves repeating occassionally. Accidents happen in split seconds and take so long to heal if you are lucky. Respect the power of the tool or machine.

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    More than likely this is asking too much from dealers, but I think they should have loaner DVDs and VHS tapes with the basics on safety for given tools and machinery. They can't cover everything but maybe putting some fear into a new user just might help prevent a disaster.

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      Re: No License Necessary

      Originally posted by Woussko View Post
      More than likely this is asking too much from dealers, but I think they should have loaner DVDs and VHS tapes with the basics on safety for given tools and machinery. They can't cover everything but maybe putting some fear into a new user just might help prevent a disaster.
      That's a great idea. Home Depot has some classes available, maybe they could do some safety demonstrations worked into tool sales? Fear, respect, understanding, whatever it takes to prevent injuries is worth a try. I haven't cut a 2x4 with a hand saw in years but I know it took more than a second or two required by my power tools.

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      • #4
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        The key to safely operating most anything is more times than not found found in the Owners Manual. Unfortunately, far too many people fail to read anything in theirs beyond the assembly instructions. I'm a huge proponent of safety in the shop but if people won't take the time to even read a few pages of a manual then they are just an accident waiting to happen.

        Frankiarms, your reminder post is an excellent idea. You should bump this thread back to the top of the list every 3-4 months.
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        • #5
          Re: No License Necessary

          Originally posted by Frankiarmz View Post
          I haven't cut a 2x4 with a hand saw in years but I know it took more than a second or two required by my power tools.
          What? You don't still grab the old trusty cross cut saw and cut 2 x 4s to keep in shape? Shame on you.

          I know, I Know, It's just too easy to use a powered saw and get it done quick.
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            Since every now and than somebody finds there way to the shop. I posted a sign on the door saying SAFETY GLASSES REQUIRED I also keep three pairs of glasses next to the door. Since I get family over wanting to use my shop they are not aloud on a tool until I feel they understand how to use said tool properly. While the nieces and nephews don't mind since they get to spend time with uncle Jim the adults try and cop an attitude. I just look at them and say fine than go out and buy your own tools.

            Jim
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            • #7
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              WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO BASIC COMMON SENSE, what do you teach your kids in the urban environment?

              If it is sharp it can cut you, if it moves or rotates ti can hurt you or catch and pull you in, if there is pinch point keep you hand and body out of it,

              Kids learn about dangerous equipment when there starting to walk on a farm, and by the time there 10 years old know how to normally operate the basics, of it, and by the time there 16 are driving or using some of the most dangerous pieces of equipment out there to use, balers, swathers, combines with corn headers, Loaders, forklifts, huge tractors, feed grinders, PTO driven equipment, and any number of other huge equipment, that will kill you easly if you get in it way.

              where has life got so dumbed down to the point that a person does not realize the basic dangers of most of the small equipment out there, there is the Operators manual, with has the basic safety suggestions, in it,

              WHAT KIND OF A WORLD IS OUT THERE WHERE EVER BODY SEEMS TO THINK THAT THE GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO STEP IN AND LICENCE (TAX) EVERY ONE FOR THEY OWN SAFETY,

              WHY DO YOU WANT A SOCIALISTIC NANNY STATE?

              the Plumbers want more LICENCING (Taxes) on the drain cleaners, and to out law the home owner from working on there own plumbing,

              when did the government actually help a problem, for the most part any time the Government has got there fingers in to things, the process has got impersonal, clumberson, slow, unresponsive, difficult, and messed up, the people who try get screwed and the people who hold there hand out get the moneys or benefits, the ones in need usaly will not get it in time, by the time the bureaucratic masters get done with it, if you do get some thing it is usually to little to late.
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              • #8
                Re: No License Necessary

                Originally posted by BHD View Post
                WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO BASIC COMMON SENSE, what do you teach your kids in the urban environment?

                If it is sharp it can cut you, if it moves or rotates ti can hurt you or catch and pull you in, if there is pinch point keep you hand and body out of it,

                Kids learn about dangerous equipment when there starting to walk on a farm, and by the time there 10 years old know how to normally operate the basics, of it, and by the time there 16 are driving or using some of the most dangerous pieces of equipment out there to use, balers, swathers, combines with corn headers, Loaders, forklifts, huge tractors, feed grinders, PTO driven equipment, and any number of other huge equipment, that will kill you easly if you get in it way.

                where has life got so dumbed down to the point that a person does not realize the basic dangers of most of the small equipment out there, there is the Operators manual, with has the basic safety suggestions, in it,

                WHAT KIND OF A WORLD IS OUT THERE WHERE EVER BODY SEEMS TO THINK THAT THE GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO STEP IN AND LICENCE (TAX) EVERY ONE FOR THEY OWN SAFETY,

                WHY DO YOU WANT A SOCIALISTIC NANNY STATE?

                the Plumbers want more LICENCING (Taxes) on the drain cleaners, and to out law the home owner from working on there own plumbing,

                when did the government actually help a problem, for the most part any time the Government has got there fingers in to things, the process has got impersonal, clumberson, slow, unresponsive, difficult, and messed up, the people who try get screwed and the people who hold there hand out get the moneys or benefits, the ones in need usaly will not get it in time, by the time the bureaucratic masters get done with it, if you do get some thing it is usually to little to late.
                I'm not suggesting the government step in and require licensing. Problem is that not enough people grow up learning common sense and respect for power tools unlike the example you gave of growing up on a Farm. We have grown men who have lived in apartments all their lives who buy a house and all of a sudden decide to cut down trees or do some wood working. They don't have a clue of what they are getting into and I'm suggesting that they need to read those instructions on safety. I'm also suggesting it wouldn't be a bad idea if whoever is selling them the five hundred dollar table saw or chainsaw just take a minute and ask them if they know what they are doing? We pay for the folks who hurt themselves and fill the emergency rooms through higher medical insurance costs. Most of us on this Forum know and practice safety, but there are folks who find this Forum and have never held a power tool. My message to them is respect the power and learn how to work safely.

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                  Re: No License Necessary

                  Originally posted by jtravnick View Post
                  Since every now and than somebody finds there way to the shop. I posted a sign on the door saying SAFETY GLASSES REQUIRED I also keep three pairs of glasses next to the door. Since I get family over wanting to use my shop they are not aloud on a tool until I feel they understand how to use said tool properly. While the nieces and nephews don't mind since they get to spend time with uncle Jim the adults try and cop an attitude. I just look at them and say fine than go out and buy your own tools.

                  Jim
                  Good for you! Too bad if they get upset, it beats driving them to an emergency room. I really respect people who take safety seriously. A couple years ago I needed a bar for my old chainsaw and I found one at a small local shop. The owner was very friendly and I brought my saw in to make sure it was the right bar. I agreed to buy it and he began to put it together at which point I said I would tighten things up. He said no offense mister but nothing leaves my shop unless it is properly tightened and adjusted. I have over thrity years of experience with chainsaws but thought what a great busines practice. This man was not about to risk anyone getting hurt when he was the last person to handle that piece of equipment. Unfortunately he retired and that business is gone.
                  Last edited by Frankiarmz; 09-15-2008, 10:40 PM.

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                  • #10
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                    This is a very useful thread. Safety is always a concern even for the pro's. Thank god I have all my digits and limbs still and my life for that matter. My biggest peeve has got to be when someone can come up behind you and startles you while your operating a dangerous piece of equipment. You can put up the largest sign, and I'll swear to you, they seem to just ignore it. Because what they have to say is more important than what you are doing. Patience man, people need to learn patience....
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                      Re: No License Necessary

                      Originally posted by garager View Post
                      This is a very useful thread. Safety is always a concern even for the pro's. Thank god I have all my digits and limbs still and my life for that matter. My biggest peeve has got to be when someone can come up behind you and startles you while your operating a dangerous piece of equipment. You can put up the largest sign, and I'll swear to you, they seem to just ignore it. Because what they have to say is more important than what you are doing. Patience man, people need to learn patience....
                      Garager, I'm glad you found the Thread worthwhile. I'm always amazed at how quickly a situation can go from safe to disaster. I used to operate all sorts of Telco construction trucks and one of my pet peaves was when someone would cause damage to a piece of equipment and fail to tell anyone. One incident involved a broken "Stow Winch" on a boom truck. I was in the process of lowering this boom when it took off out of control and wiped out a stop sign. I was kind of angry with the last operator a new guy to the gang. I explained to him that things break, it happens but you must protect others by letting them in on the problem. This can be applied to many different tools and machines. Sometimes we get used to switches that stick or safety features that no longer work, but unless we can somehow warn others who might use that same item they are at risk.
                      Last edited by Frankiarmz; 09-21-2008, 05:25 PM.

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