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    OK someone please explain this one to me. this one has me baffled. The zero clearance insert is safer, especially when ripping boards! I have bought two, one for my saw blades and one for my dado's

    That being said, when would it be better to use the insert that came with the saw? seems to me that the zero clearance puts it out of business? or am i missing something here?

    I know what everyone is thinking...another stupid spacebluesonoma question.

    well remember...there are no stupid questions, only stupid people!
    \"A SHIP OF WAR IS THE BEST AMBASSADOR\"<br /><br />OLIVER CROMWELL

  • #2
    I think what people are thinking that ZCI being safer are if you rip small pieces with the stock insert they could fall between the blade and the opening in the insert causing a kickback. ZCI are better much better in supporting the wood around the blade for a much better cut. When cutting plywood it does make some difference (along with the blade) in how good the cut is. For DADOs the theory would be to have a separate ZCI for each width .. but that is an extreme. I have one at my typical max (3/4 in). Smaller DADOs use the same insert. Hopefully this helps.

    C

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    • #3
      yeah it helps somewhat. i know why the zero clearance insert is more SAFE

      my question is when should one use the standard insert in lieu of a zero clearance?

      (if at all)
      \"A SHIP OF WAR IS THE BEST AMBASSADOR\"<br /><br />OLIVER CROMWELL

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      • #4
        you need the regular one when you have to tilt the blade. The ZCI will prevent it tilting.

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        • #5
          I went into the Big Orange Box looking for the AC1045 Zero Clearance or AC1040 Dado Insert and was told they don't stock any of the Table Saw Accessories.

          At RigidParts.com, I can get AC1021 (miter hold down) and AC2008 (molding head) to come up but no pricing. The Zero Clearance and Dado Inserts do not come up at all. Being that these are not available at HD, I'd hoped you could easily order these online. I had ordered some parts for a Wet/Dry Vac a while back ... could have ordered the complete vac in parts if I wanted !! But these accessories that I would think are pretty popular ... NOPE !!

          Found an aftermarket (LEECRAFT # CR-1) Zero Clearance Insert at a woodworking store for $19.99. Anyone know if this better than the Ridgid AC1045 ??

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          • #6
            Zero clearance is just what the guys have said. Get a Dado insert for use with the dado set, you don't need different ones because you won't be cutting dados in small enough material to worry about falling into or catching on the edge of the opening. The original insert is used for miter cuts when the blade needs to be tilted to any degree less than 90. Here is the page for all accesories like inserts. http://www.ridgidparts.com/accessories/woodacc.phtml no prices, have to call to order.
            info for all: http://www.hoistman.com http://www.freeyabb.com/phpbb/index....wwtoolinfoforu --- "I like long walks, especially when they are taken by people who annoy me."

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            • #7
              As far as what uses the standard insert that came with my saw goes, I don't use it, I threw it away. Homemade ZCI's are very easy and cheap to make. I have ZCI's for all of the dado cuts I've made with this saw as well as beveled angled cuts. I always have a few blanks ready to go in case a cut comes up that I don't have a ZCI for. I just take a marker and write on the bottom side of the ZCI what the dado width or angle is. Another big plus for using ZCI's is that they help to minimize the amount of sawdust that reaches the saws tabletop.
              Teach your kids about taxes..........eat 30 percent of their ice cream.

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              • #8
                If you do not wanty to make your own here is a place that sells UHMW ZCIs for 12.99
                http://www.ttrackusa.com/zeroclearanceinserts.htm

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                • #9
                  Badger, I have heard a lot about making your own ZCIs what do you use for the hook on the back end of the insert to keep it down?
                  info for all: http://www.hoistman.com http://www.freeyabb.com/phpbb/index....wwtoolinfoforu --- "I like long walks, especially when they are taken by people who annoy me."

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by papadan:
                    Badger, I have heard a lot about making your own ZCIs what do you use for the hook on the back end of the insert to keep it down?
                    I found one that includes a rear retaining pin ... http://www.tools-for-woodworking.com...Craftsman.html

                    Otherwise, I don't thing any of the others (LEECRAFT or TTRACKUSA as "rgrady" suggested) have the rear pin. The Ridgid AC1030 & AC1035 also dont appear to have it either.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by papadan:
                      Badger, I have heard a lot about making your own ZCIs what do you use for the hook on the back end of the insert to keep it down?
                      Dan, I beef up the back end a little by glueing a piece or two of a tongue depressor to the ZCI. Then I screw one of those clear plastic bracket thingamajigs that you use to hold a mirror to a wall to the back of the ZCI. I can't recall how they are sized but the ones I use are the largest that the local hardware carried. Also, keep in mind that I have a 3612 and my inserts are slightly different that those on the 3650 so the bracket size I use may not be the same size for a 3650. You'll just have to do a little sperimentin.
                      Teach your kids about taxes..........eat 30 percent of their ice cream.

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                      • #12
                        Thanks for the info Dave. I have the 2400 OLD GRAY so the inserts are the same. the only different ones are for the 3650 and the New 2400. I have used my last Ridgid insert and will give it a shot to make them. I bought all the HD in my area had a while back when they decided not to carry them anymore. They will order though. I bought 2 Dado, and 6 zeros for $3 each.
                        info for all: http://www.hoistman.com http://www.freeyabb.com/phpbb/index....wwtoolinfoforu --- "I like long walks, especially when they are taken by people who annoy me."

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                        • #13
                          And the best reason to use ZCIs comes to us from another forum (quoted below)

                          &lt;quote&gt;
                          Cutting some dado's in some stiles yesterday. I was setting up for the cut and about to run a test piece. I started the cut and was looking down realizing that I don't think my insert is going to support the piece after the blade. I should have made a new zero clearance inser.....BAAAMMMO!!!! KICKBACK. Thumb sore. Hand swelling. Searing pain. Hand turning blue. Feeling very dumb. Palpating, nothing broken. Moderate to severe contusion. Grabbing an ice pack. Feeling even more stupid. Looking at it an hour later and feeling as stupid as anyone has ever felt before. Cut out 10 zero clearance blanks to have on hand. Feeling even stupider than anyone has ever felt before. Struggling through work today. Sharing my stupidity with people that will reinforce how stupid I was.

                          The absolute best tablesaw safety accessory bar none? A friggin zero clearance insert. Nothing else that you can add to your saw will help take the "stupid" out of the operator.
                          &lt;end quote&gt;

                          So you don't forget order or cut yourself some ZCI Blanks tonight!!

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                          • #14
                            Hey everyone

                            Just tought I would jump in and ask a quick question about ZCI. I have the ridgid 3612. I started a topic on ZCI but bagerdave and papadan point me to this on going discussion (thanks guys) I decided that I'm gonna make my own insert. Heck thats why I have WW tools .
                            I plan to use 1/2 MDF with white laminate glued on top, then cut the underside to the shape of the edges so it recess like the orginal insert. I'm not sure this will work but its worth a try.
                            what do you guys think. any and all suggestion would be greatly appreciated


                            Thanks

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                            • #15
                              Sorry tim-ber but it sounds like you are going to leave the top of the insert above the table top. Or I am just not understanding your explaination
                              info for all: http://www.hoistman.com http://www.freeyabb.com/phpbb/index....wwtoolinfoforu --- "I like long walks, especially when they are taken by people who annoy me."

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