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  • Guitar Builder - vise & table top - need help

    I work with alder, ash & alder alot. I need a good vise to clamp down the solid guitar bodies (15" x 20") while I block sand by hand the sides of the guitar. My biggest fear has always been clamping down to hard and damaging the front & back of the body. I need a vise that's lined with something that can hold the guitar bodies tight, without damaging them while I file & sand. I do sand and file pretty hard, work peice is constantly slipping. I'm currently using a 3" x 6 1/2" vise (too small), lined with MDF & cloth.

    In a previous shop, I was given a thick material about 1/2" thick, brownish rubber... reminds me of leather. The guy who gave it to me got it from him factory job, they lined the tables with them so they wouldn't scratch the work peices. I've tried looking locally but can never find any. Any suggestions on a non-slick material that I can line the table top would be appreciated.

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    Re: Guitar Builder - vise & table top - need help

    first I do not build guitars, I have made a violin,

    but I have used carpet padding on many times to cushion and to make no scratch surfaces, also works well for keeping things from vibrating and moving when sanding using a ROS,

    carpet works well but things can get down into the carpet and cause or potential cause scratches, in a surface,

    the carpet padding is normally cheap and can come in a verity of weights, and and thickness,

    as far as the vise goes, I would think if one would build there own vise with some screws for bench vises and put two of them a little wider than the body of the unit one could slip it in and sand one halve of the guitar and then flip it over and sand the other half, I think they are called "tail vise screws" and you provide the wood for the vise,
    one source,
    http://woodworker.com/1x19-quick-rel...tm_medium=feed
    one the same line is the "A Veritas Twin-Screw end vise" http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...yPQqDV98FIKPxw
    a home made version,
    http://lumberjocks.com/martin007/blog/6113
    picture of the bench and vise below,

    http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.a...,41659&p=45114
    do some searches and one may be able to find some price break. ( I read there was import knock off I have not found it yet)
    the other would be to make a "veneer press" type frame and use the "veneer press screws"
    http://www.google.com/products?q=ven...ews&hl=en&aq=f
    attached is a picture of a veneer press,

    with the veneerer type press one could bolt or clamp the frame of it down to the bench and then clamp the guitar in it the frame and it could work off the edge or on the flat of the table, depending on how one would fasten it down and at what angle or plane it was in,

    depending on how handy one is you may be able to get some ACME threaded rod and a few nuts and make your own screws, with a little bit of work,

    IF one drilled some holes in some blocks and then would fasten the blocks up under the bench so one could slide some pipe clamps into and then put a board at the back jaw and one one the front jaw one could make a vise using pipe clamps, (have seen a picture of some done with floor flanges and the same length of pipe used on both clamps)

    here is version of a pipe clamp vise, http://www.ncwoodworker.net/forums/f...e-cheap-15033/
    another a little closer to my idea, http://www.angelfire.com/music2/construct/bnchthmb.html

    good luck with your projects,

    Grizzly has a leaning towards guatar builders, http://www.grizzly.com/home.aspx
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      Re: Guitar Builder - vise & table top - need help

      How about a sheet of closed-cell silicone rubber sponge? Make sure you get sponge, not silicone rubber. You can find it at a shop that produces gaskets - look in the phone book under "gaskets" or "die cutting". Or you can get it (like virtually anything) on line.

      It comes in a variety of thicknesses... I would think that you would use 3/8" or maybe 1/2".

      The advantage of getting it locally is that you can go there and check out a scrap before you buy to see if it will do what you want. Silicone sponge isn't cheap.

      Lacking that there are things out there called "router mats" that are used to hold parts on the workbench while routing that might work for you.

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        Re: Guitar Builder - vise & table top - need help

        I too make guitars. I simply use carpet scraps and a good woodworking bench vise. Because of the risk in damaging the face and back, I simply go easy when final shaping the sides. Many times I have just sat in a sturdy chair and held the body in place between my thighs. If it moves around, I am usually being too aggressive. As for sanding the face and back, just use a non-skid mat.
        Last edited by acs_guitars; 12-21-2009, 11:26 PM.

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          Re: Guitar Builder - vise & table top - need help

          one of the first and only router mats I bought, as far as I could see was just a piece of carpet pading, (this was a good number of years ago),
          Push sticks/blocks Save Fingers
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          "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good."
          attributed to Samuel Johnson
          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          PUBLIC NOTICE: Due to recent budget cuts, the rising cost of electricity, gas, and oil...plus the current state of the economy............the light at the end of the tunnel, has been turned off.

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            Re: Guitar Builder - vise & table top - need help

            Pick up some shelf liner.
            http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=58697-133-1196069&lpage=none


            Same thing as sold as "router mat" but cheaper. Makes a good non-skip surface for sanding etc.
            Last edited by tomapple; 12-21-2009, 06:58 PM.

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