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  • What Next for HD and Ridgid?

    With the R4511 discontinued and the regional clearances that seem to be going on on various larger Ridgid woodworking tools, what is in store for HD in the future? Will woodworkers have access to solid quality large tools at a HD price or are Ridgid and HD pulling the plug on this segment? That would be unfortunate, but it seems like some believe this is what is happening.

    Curious to hear other people's thoughts on this.

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    Re: What Next for HD and Ridgid?

    I think (but havent confirmed) they will still sell the larger tools, but they will be "special" order only.....i.e. you'll have to go thru customer service/pro-desk to order them. My bet is that shipping to store will be free. Or you can order them off the website as well.

    I have a feeling they (HD) are just tired of stocking all this large somewhat expensive stuff that doesnt sell a lot. The jointer is a good example: all the stores near me have 3 in stock, and they've had the same 3 for a very long time (2007 build, and the boxes do look like they've been there for 3 yrs). In this economy (or even not, considering how long they've been there) most people wont walk in and spend 429 on a jointer. Most people go to HD for good prices, not expensive woodworking equipment.

    Would be interesting if the Ridgid reps can comment, but they probably cant (I bet they dont know much about it either). Its kinda good if HD wants to start clearing out this stuff, saves me some money and I can build up my budget-minded shop.

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    • #3
      Re: What Next for HD and Ridgid?

      Maybe it's the case that HD recognize that they aren't in the large power tool business and have aligned their product offering accordingly.

      They only sold one floor standing drill press, one jointer, one full size table saw, one floor standing bandsaw etc. Not much of a choice, and if I were looking to compare three or four of these type of tools, I couldn't do it at HD. I'd have to go to a specialist store, and that would be time and money well invested.

      That said, I took advantage of their clearance and sales over the last year or so, and have a full workshop of RIDGID tools that cost me on average 50% of their sticker price. Some more, some (much) less. None at full price. I can see their dilemma. They don't sell many, and have to discount them to move them. Better to sell other tools that move.

      The other thing that will affect them (as well as other retailers) is demographics. The average age of a woodworker is something like 50+. The baby-boomers are getting well past that now, so the target market for these tools is declining.

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      • #4
        Re: What Next for HD and Ridgid?

        The half-dozen HD's near where I live tend to display the larger tools (drill press, joiner, table saw) on display stands/racks 4 feet above the floor.

        Makes "hands-on" browsing a little difficult.

        ----Mike

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        • #5
          Re: What Next for HD and Ridgid?

          On the other hand, I think the Ridgid tools, even not on sale, are amazing deals, so it seems like there should be a market for these in the stores especially if (once) the economy turns around. I didn't, for example, find a table saw that I thought was as good as the R4511 that was its price or less even before it went on sale. You would think that would drive a demand for the tools that would make it worth having at least one in stock.

          Having said that, I am guessing that HD is moving to selling the expensive, big items through the website and through special order as was said above. I just wish that were not the case.

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          • #6
            Re: What Next for HD and Ridgid?

            When I wanted to buy the ridgid drill press from HD they wanted $299 for the drill and $149 to ship it off the web. The only place to buy it was from their web page. Well after calling ridgid to see if I could get a deal on shipping they told me HD could order one and have it shipped there. Well HD started offering free shipping on most items lately. Well I went down to the HD and ordered one as I had a store credit there and got a deal form them. $248 and shipped free. That’s with tax to. On the web it’s still $299 plus tax. The HD here hasn’t displayed ridgid tools here so I’m am not sure what is happening as far as both go. If you want the big tools you have to order them. I can say I am happy with all the ridgid tools I have purchased in the last year. I will be sad if HD or someone does not carry ridgid tools around here somewhere. But then I have all the tools I need. Well thats what the wife says.....
            Power tools and accessories for man cave $5000. Wood to make things $1400. Ending up making a single cutting board for a gift…….Priceless

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            • #7
              Re: What Next for HD and Ridgid?

              If they were smart, they would bring back the 3660 table saw.
              "non illegitimis carborundum"

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              • #8
                Re: What Next for HD and Ridgid?

                Originally posted by Laflaone View Post
                If they were smart, they would bring back the 3660 table saw.
                I can't agree with you there. As good as the 3660 is, it has some design deficiencies that are insurmountable with that design. The splitter invites accidents, the dust collection is poor and the floor space required for the saw is much more than a hybrid.

                The smart thing to do would be to put a cast iron top on the R4511 and possibly have two models, one with the aluminum rail & fence system from the 3660, which is super smooth and accurate, and another with the more robust steel T-square of the 4511, but a ONE PIECE rail.

                I don't think the 3660 rails and fence can cost much to make, they are just extrusions. But then the steel on the R4511 must be even cheaper.

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                • #9
                  Re: What Next for HD and Ridgid?

                  Originally posted by Laflaone View Post
                  If they were smart, they would bring back the 3660 table saw.
                  I agree!

                  I have a 3650 that replaced an older Grizzly. It's much better, no comparison. And for me it came down to the 3650 or the Delta contractor's saw.... Ridgid was, IMO, a better tool overall. I wish I would have seen the Jet hybrid, though, that's another winner. But the 3650/3660s are amazing. You can do good work on those.

                  If HD becomes special order, I hope they keep a demo unit in the store. But they probably won't - it would take a lot of space. I won't buy a tool - any brand - unless I can examine it closely.

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                  • #10
                    Re: What Next for HD and Ridgid?

                    Roadster280, I agree with some of your comments. The splitter on the 3660 has to be just right, or you have a problem. Maybe they should go to a riving knife. As far as the dust collection, it could be improved. As to floor space, a hybrid is a hybrid, and a contractor saw is, well, a contractor saw. depends on whether you have the floor space, and can live with the footprint. Maybe they could make some improvements and come out with a 3670? I bet they would sell like hotcakes.
                    "non illegitimis carborundum"

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                    • #11
                      Re: What Next for HD and Ridgid?

                      Maybe go to a riving knife? They have no choice. Any new saw is going to have a riving knife.

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                      • #12
                        Re: What Next for HD and Ridgid?

                        Personally, I refuse to buy any tool that I can't see with my own eyes and touch with my own hands. If Ridgid is going to order-only, that will functionally be the end of my purchasing Ridgid tools. That's really why I don't buy Grizzly, they only have a few outlets and none of them are close to me and I don't buy tools sight-unseen.

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                        • #13
                          Re: What Next for HD and Ridgid?

                          Originally posted by Cephus View Post
                          Personally, I refuse to buy any tool that I can't see with my own eyes and touch with my own hands. If Ridgid is going to order-only, that will functionally be the end of my purchasing Ridgid tools. That's really why I don't buy Grizzly, they only have a few outlets and none of them are close to me and I don't buy tools sight-unseen.
                          Couldn't agree more. Buying tools sight-unseen is a turn off for me too.

                          This actually would be a interesting poll topic.

                          How many would buy a power tool without being able to see it hands-on and try it out so to speak. Being able to fiddle the controls and feel how smooth they operate, or precise the adjustments are, or the quality of the build are all important to me and I bet to most everyone else.

                          How many cars or trucks have you bought w/o a test drive or first hand knowledge of that particular model?
                          Last edited by Bob D.; 03-07-2010, 05:43 AM.
                          "When we build let us think we build forever. Let it not be for present delight nor for present use alone. Let it be such work that our descendants will thank us for, and let us think, as we lay stone upon stone, that a time is to come when these stones will be held sacred because our hands have touched them, and that men will say, as they look upon the labor and wrought substance of them, "See! This our fathers did for us."
                          John Ruskin (1819 - 1900)

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                          • #14
                            Re: What Next for HD and Ridgid?

                            Agreed. My biggest concern is not being able to see the tool and play with it a little bit. Im a 3660 owner after buying at the 399 clearance price. But even at that price I wasnt going to buy it without at least looking at the thing. It was clearly very solid and between that and reviews I was able to make a choice, particularly over other available saws at Lowes like the Hitatchi and Delta at higher prices.

                            I agree that if they just tweaked the 3660 some more they could reintroduce and sell like hotcakes at a low price. I don't see the motor out the back being that much of a limitation when you have the herculift.

                            I really don't know how much money HD would save by moving to a cast iron top for 4511. It seems like a really nice saw though if they could ditch the fence and granite.

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                            • #15
                              Re: What Next for HD and Ridgid?

                              Do you think Ridgid or HD even has a focus group or anything to discuss the next saw (if they are building one?). They could get some feedback on the price / performance issues. Like, if we give you this, we cant give you this, etc. Somewhere they could strike a balance on a nice economy saw to replace the 3660, which was the king of that class as far as I am concerned.

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