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  • #16
    Re: Band saw savvy? Need help.

    Originally posted by tomapple View Post
    Grizzly, Rikon or contrary to the man with a bug up his butt (beginning to suspect his mother ran off with a Powermatic salesman)...Powermatic or Jet would all be better choices than the Ridgid.

    Personally, I have a 14" Grizzly G0555 and it has performed well for me.

    snyde comments about my mother notwithstanding, i was under the impression that one of the purposes of forums such as this was to exchange information and experiences for the educational benefit of the forum's members. when an established or new forum member solicits information for a type of product, are there certain manufacturers that are off limits to non-complimentary comments?
    there's a solution to every problem.....you just have to be willing to find it.

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    • #17
      Re: Band saw savvy? Need help.

      Originally posted by FINER9998 View Post
      snyde comments about my mother notwithstanding, i was under the impression that one of the purposes of forums such as this was to exchange information and experiences for the educational benefit of the forum's members. when an established or new forum member solicits information for a type of product, are there certain manufacturers that are off limits to non-complimentary comments?
      I find your comments on WMH tiresome. It seems as if you badmouth the company more out of vengeance than to help others. For example, in this thread on dedicated mortise machines (and several others), you state:

      "whatever you do, don't get the powermatic or a jet. they are brands of the walter meier tool group which has a reputation for tools that are long on promise, short on delivery and relatively high priced making them a poor value. not to mention their decidedly average technical support staff."

      This after at least one owner and I gave specifics in recommending the Powermatic. To the best of my knowledge you do not own a powermatic mortisor, so how can you so adamantly recommend against it? Just because you had a bad experience with a jet band saw? That does not make it a reputation.

      In this thread we are talking about bandsaws and you own (or owed) a Jet, but instead of talking specifics you resort to saying "whatever you do don't buy from this company. "

      It is just getting old.

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      • #18
        Re: Band saw savvy? Need help.

        Originally posted by cjh20 View Post
        That does not make it a reputation.
        IMHO, yes, for me, it does. you only get one chance to make a first impression. i have first hand experience with a product of the walter meier group. and i want to help others avoid making the same mistake i did. based on the thread you linked in the previous post, it seems you didn't purchase the PM mortiser ("I really wish I had spent the extra money on the PM "). perhaps you could fill us in on all the positive first hand experiences you have had with WM's customer service and technical support. if you think i am being unreasonable, perhaps you can enlighten me with your own experiences with this company, their products (especially the ones you now own)and their service and support.

        for the record, while their tools are nothing special, it is their unwillingness to support their customers that is the primary focus of the majority of my comments. and judging from what i am reading on the woodnet and saw mill creek forums, i'm not alone in my sentiments.

        i was going to ask again if are you advocating that certain tool brands are off limits to non-complimentary comments, but i am begining to think that this thread is wandering off course. so i will refrain from asking that question.
        there's a solution to every problem.....you just have to be willing to find it.

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        • #19
          Re: Band saw savvy? Need help.

          Finer9998-

          I don't think you're understanding what I'm trying to say. I included that link to try to point out that two well respected members of this forum own and recommend the Powermatic. I also recommended it based on the shortcomings of my machine. You made a far reaching statement not to buy a specific tool based solely on the manufacturer. Okay, fair enough. You can say what you want. My point is that it seems whenever anyone asks for a suggestion on any type of machine, you say the same thing. Hence my statement that you seem to be posting to avenge a wrong rather than honestly help another forum member. In the example thread I gave, you could have said that I've never used the Powermatic, but have had problems with their customer service. That would be more helpful.

          Your statement "for the record, while their tools are nothing special”, is (purposely?) misleading and incorrect.

          Whether or not I own one of their machines is really beside the point. I'm trying to point out that some of the ways you communicate your displeasure with WMH can be offensive or tiresome. But I do own a Powermatic machine and have dealt with their technical support. The band saw was purchased new at a discounted price and met my budget and needs. I did have to replace a broken part. I first went to the shop that I bought it from and they ordered the replacement. Unfortunately I needed a complete assembly rather than the specific part. I called WMH and talked to a tech who understood exactly what I was talking about. He next-day shipped the assembly and several other parts (that were not needed but could have been). I would say that other than the hold time to talk to the tech, it is the best example of customer service from a manufacturer I have had.

          As to the question of certain tool companies being off-limits; I read your posts and know that you are intelligent enough to answer this yourself.

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          • #20
            Re: Band saw savvy? Need help.

            Hello again. Well I would like to thank all of you guys who replied to my post about a BS. Since that post, I made the drive to see TOD, and bought his BS and his thickness planer, it was a deal really too good to pass up. It will make a fine saw for a newbie like me, although when I grow up, as bad as this may sound to some, I thought about buying the JET for the resawing capacity alone. I have a small shop and the ability to resaw up to 13" would require alot more saw than I have room for. Thanks again to you all, and it was nice to meet and talk to you TOD.

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            • #21
              Re: Band saw savvy? Need help.

              Originally posted by cjh20 View Post
              Finer9998-

              I included that link to try to point out that two well respected members of this forum own and recommend the Powermatic.

              i offerred my comments based on my personnal experience. your encounter with PM CS was within the warranty period of your tool. based on your comments, they did exactly what i have, in the past, said they would do. they sent you a replacement part. let's resume this conversation when you experience a problem when your band saw is out of warranty and it involves something beyond "remove defective part "a" and replace it with a new part "a"". should you ever require any sort of diagnostic assistance, beyond being shipped replacement parts, i have every confidence that your tune will change.

              their tools are nothing special, and apparently the tool tests in wood magazine, with incredible consistency, bear this out by, in the majority of situations, mentioning WMH tools (jet and powermatic) as neither top tool nor top value as indicated in these tests: (in no particular order) 6" jointer, 03/09; 12" jointer/planers, 07/09; cabinet style table saws, 05/10; bench top planers, 11/06; mid-priced table saws, 06/05; best band saws under $500, 09/08; hybrid table saws, 11/08.

              while my comments may be slightly biased based on personnal experience, i'll let wood magazine do my talking for me. and that's all i have to say on this.
              there's a solution to every problem.....you just have to be willing to find it.

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              • #22
                Re: Band saw savvy? Need help.

                Originally posted by FINER9998 View Post
                snyde comments about my mother notwithstanding, i was under the impression that one of the purposes of forums such as this was to exchange information and experiences for the educational benefit of the forum's members. when an established or new forum member solicits information for a type of product, are there certain manufacturers that are off limits to non-complimentary comments?
                You copying and pasting the same drivel at the drop of a hat is not helpful to new or old members of this forum. (doing a search on Google for your nick and "long on promise" shows you have pasted that crap at least 35 times in this forum). If you are going to bore the bejeezus out of us at least have the decency to type up something new. Pasting your crap is the equivalent of SPAM (might as well make it your signature)

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                • #23
                  Re: Band saw savvy? Need help.

                  Originally posted by woodlum View Post
                  Hello again. Well I would like to thank all of you guys who replied to my post about a BS. Since that post, I made the drive to see TOD, and bought his BS and his thickness planer, it was a deal really too good to pass up. It will make a fine saw for a newbie like me, although when I grow up, as bad as this may sound to some, I thought about buying the JET for the resawing capacity alone. I have a small shop and the ability to resaw up to 13" would require alot more saw than I have room for. Thanks again to you all, and it was nice to meet and talk to you TOD.
                  How did you do at the casino? LOL We forgot to load that tv. If you ever get over this way again give me a call if I still have it you can stop by and pick it up. Hope the tools work as well for you as they did for me.
                  SSG, U.S. Army
                  Retired
                  K.I.S.S., R.T.F.M.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Band saw savvy? Need help.

                    at the casino it worked out well, let's just say i got both tools for 1/2 price!! i already used the b/s. looking for something to plane thus weekend.. thanks again.

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