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  • #16
    re: This all seems discouraging...

    Nobunaga-Sama:
    I too am just starting my woodworking hobby in my 20X22 attached garage. I opted to get a 1 1/2 HP dust collector with 1 micron cartridge filter from General as my second purchase. (first was a 3650 table saw) My opinion is to get the dust collector up front, your lungs and also your family's lungs will thank you for it. General has a sale on dust collectors until the 16th of January with some pretty good prices ($599.00 canadian for the 1 1/2 HP unit with the 1 micron filter).

    Just my opinion for what it is worth.


    Ken

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    • #17
      Grizzly opinion

      What do you guys think of the G1028Z 1-1/2 HP Dust Collector?

      http://www.grizzly.com/products/G1028Z

      about $350 at my door.
      Yoroshiku onegai shimasu

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      • #18
        Nobunaga-Sama:

        I was in your shoes a couple of years ago, and while I have a garage to work in and not something indoors, I have made it without a DC until just this past weekend. I bought the Delta 50-760 http://www.deltamachinery.com/index.asp?e=136&p=5815.

        It wasn't imposible to work without a DC, but clean-up sure did take long during and after each project. I had a shop vac that connected to the 3650 and that I use to vac the shop with, but I wish I had had a DC hooked up to the 13" planner or miter saw when they were running, instead of the broom and the vac that I had going for me. As far as health is concerned, I picked up a good respiratory to hold me over until I decided to get a DC.

        As far as your road to building your shop I would say take it slow, save a buy what you want, I held off until this last weekend and bought the Delta 14" X5 bandsaw, I outfitted it with the riser, mobil base and am deciding which if any after maket guides to pick up, but I know I will use this saw for a long time. I also don't have a drill press or a jointer planner, but my next purchase will be the Delta 8" X5. After that I plan on taking Badger's advice and selling my 3650 and picking up a cab saw and running this set-up off of it http://www.woodpeck.com/tspk5.html. All of this will probably take me 2 more years, this is something that I really enjoy doing, and my wife like the stuff she can have me make, hehe. She even lined up 3 paying jobs for me for this summer doing built-ins. Remember that mixing hand tools with your TS and drill and jig saw and there isn't much that you can't make. It may take longer, but what is the rush? Thanks for reading, and sorry if I got long.
        Durham

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        • #19
          The Delta I just picked up has 1 micron bags and I like the stand construction better and it was $319 with a rebate of $30, but that has expired now.

          I got it from these guys, http://cbtoolgroup.com/sacramento.html but they are like 10 blocks from my house. I also just found out that there is a Woodcraft store in my town. What I am saying is don't be like me find out if there are tool suppliers like this where you live and not just HD or Lowes. They have all the cool nick-nack stuff that you see in the cats. but you never get to play with unless you order them.
          Last edited by kdurhamjr; 01-12-2006, 04:45 PM.
          Durham

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          • #20
            Don't worry about the size of the post Durham... more info the better.
            Where did you order your Delta from?
            Yoroshiku onegai shimasu

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            • #21
              I knew you would ask, so I posted it just before you wrote, hehe.
              Durham

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              • #22
                Originally posted by nobunaga-sama
                What do you guys think of the G1028Z 1-1/2 HP Dust Collector?

                http://www.grizzly.com/products/G1028Z

                about $350 at my door.
                30 micron bags are useless (let lots of fine dust through). You would have to upgrade to at least 5 micron. 1 micron is, of course, even better.

                Do you have 220 v available?
                Is your shop in the basement or on the living area level?
                Is noise a consideration?
                Do you anticipate using rough cut lumber in the near future?

                In the meantime, here's something to play with.

                http://www.grizzly.com/workshopplanner.aspx
                Last edited by Lorax; 01-12-2006, 09:06 PM.
                Lorax
                "Did you put the yellow key in the switch?" TOD 01/09/06

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                • #23
                  In my 20'x20' 2-car garage workshop, I've used the HarborFrieght 2HP dust collector with aftermarket bags to remove chips and sawdust from the tool I'm using at the time. Instead of building a system of ductwork in my shop, I simply move the DC, whose base has four casters, around my shop to hook it up directly to the machine I'm working on, either my Ridgid TS3650 table saw, Dewalt 13" planer and an older delta 6" jointer. To remove fine particles from ambient air in the shop, I have a hanging air filter system that I bought from a friend but am considering getting a new Jet AFS-1000B.

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                  • #24
                    All these questions...

                    Lets see now...
                    220V: None in that room, but that's where my father-in-law could come in handy.
                    It's actually a bi-level, so it's not a basement. It's actually more living area, although upstairs is where the real living happens.
                    Noise would be somewhat a consideration.
                    Rough cut in near future: Probably not the near future.

                    Love the planner thing. That's just what i was looking for.

                    Where can you get the better aftermarket bags?
                    Yoroshiku onegai shimasu

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                    • #25
                      Now it's time for my nap

                      Originally posted by nobunaga-sama
                      Lets see now...
                      220V: None in that room, but that's where my father-in-law could come in handy. OK Lets assume that won't be a problem, so you won't have to rule out 220 equipment.

                      It's actually a bi-level, so it's not a basement. It's actually more living area, although upstairs is where the real living happens. Not the most ideal situation, but should be doable.

                      Noise would be somewhat a consideration. Might want to do some research on sound deadening materials.

                      Rough cut in near future: Probably not the near future. Don't really need a jointer or planer until you start working with rough cut. My first few projects were made with Home Depot pine boards.

                      Love the planner thing. That's just what i was looking for. It is pretty neat, isn't it?

                      Where can you get the better aftermarket bags?
                      Grizzly should have them. Maybe Lee Valley or Hartville Tool or Woodworkers Supply. Maybe even Rockler or Woodcraft.

                      If you get a good shop vac, you can hook it up to your TS, sander, router table, MS, BS, whatever. (one at a time of course). Where a DC is really needed is to keep up with the VOLUME of chips produced by a jointer or planer.

                      All of the above is IMHO of course.
                      Lorax
                      "Did you put the yellow key in the switch?" TOD 01/09/06

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                      • #26
                        Very important if your shop space shares air with your living space. First, go to
                        http://billpentz.com/Woodworking/Cyclone/Index.cfm and read his research on why it's the dust that you don't see (1-10 micron) thats the worst, and the real velocity and flow rates needed to capture that dust. There is a mod to the 2hp Harbor freight unit (http://www.wynnenv.com/35A_series_cartridge_kit.htm) that filters down to that level, but may not flow enough air. Other similar portable units can also be mod'ed.

                        There are other issues with sucking that much air and exhausting it out of your house. If you have any type of combustion based heating (water or air), you will most likely be sucking the combustion products back into the house, even if they use fan assist. Thats assuming you don't have some other source of make up air.

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                        • #27
                          Very important if your shop space shares air with your living space. First, go to
                          http://billpentz.com/Woodworking/Cyclone/Index.cfm and read his research on why it's the dust that you don't see (1-10 micron) thats the worst, and the real velocity and flow rates needed to capture that dust. There is a mod to the 2hp Harbor freight unit (http://www.wynnenv.com/35A_series_cartridge_kit.htm) that filters down to that level, but may not flow enough air. Other similar portable units can also be mod'ed.

                          There are other issues with sucking that much air and exhausting it out of your house. If you have any type of combustion based heating (water or air), you will most likely be sucking the combustion products back into the house, even if they use fan assist. Thats assuming you don't have some other source of make up air.

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