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  • #31
    Shameful!

    Why those dirty birds!!!
    Yoroshiku onegai shimasu

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    • #32
      Possible help

      nobunaga-sama,

      In the FWIW department, you could do what I did for a friend who is also a woodworker. You can take the unit Bob D mentioned, or in my case, use a Radio Shack X10 remote module for 110 volt 60 watt lamp and turn on and off a low voltage relay rated for the amperage of your DC. Radio Shack has these also. You will need a low voltage/110 volt transformer and do some wiring for this.

      If you are interested in details, let me know and I will furnish diagram/info to build.

      Jerry
      It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenious.

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      • #33
        Looks like a plan

        Thanks Jerry.
        I notice all of the remotes say for 110 units up to 1 1/2 hp...
        So even on the higher price models I may be out of luck.

        When you have time, i would like to get those details from you.
        I'm even dumber at electrical than i am at woodworking so be gentle.

        Now, once that is taken care of, it's time to look at the ductwork...
        Yoroshiku onegai shimasu

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        • #34
          X10 does make appliance modules rated for 15A and maybe 20 amp modules.

          I just looked at the modules I have here from Rat Shack:

          Cat. No. 61-2682B Lamp Module = Max 300W
          2 wire polarized receptacle (no ground)
          Incandescent lamps only (which basically means resistive loads)

          Cat. No. 61-2684B Appliance Module
          3 wire grounded receptacle
          Resistive Load Max - 15A
          Motor Load -------- 1/3 HP
          Incandescent Lamp - 500W
          TV ----------------- 400W
          "When we build let us think we build forever. Let it not be for present delight nor for present use alone. Let it be such work that our descendants will thank us for, and let us think, as we lay stone upon stone, that a time is to come when these stones will be held sacred because our hands have touched them, and that men will say, as they look upon the labor and wrought substance of them, "See! This our fathers did for us."
          John Ruskin (1819 - 1900)

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          • #35
            Originally posted by nobunaga-sama
            Thanks Jerry.
            I notice all of the remotes say for 110 units up to 1 1/2 hp...
            Not so, grasshopper...
            http://www.grizzly.com/products/h5397

            So even on the higher price models I may be out of luck.

            When you have time, i would like to get those details from you.
            I'm even dumber at electrical than i am at woodworking so be gentle.
            Oh Lord, I've been good. Why do you tempt me like this?

            Now, once that is taken care of, it's time to look at the ductwork...
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            Lorax
            "Did you put the yellow key in the switch?" TOD 01/09/06

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            • #36
              Hold on now...

              I notice all of the remotes say for 110 units up to 1 1/2 hp...
              Not so, grasshopper...
              http://www.grizzly.com/products/h5397
              It says:
              * Use on 220V dust collectors up to 3 HP

              Mine's a 110V
              Yoroshiku onegai shimasu

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              • #37
                Originally posted by nobunaga-sama
                It says:
                * Use on 220V dust collectors up to 3 HP

                Mine's a 110V
                Ruh Roh ! Sorry
                Lorax
                "Did you put the yellow key in the switch?" TOD 01/09/06

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                • #38
                  Oh yeah...

                  HA!
                  Feels good to get one up on the Master!

                  Sorry... I forgot my place in the woodworking pecking order.

                  And baby, i'm subterranean!
                  Yoroshiku onegai shimasu

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                  • #39
                    Now's the time to pick up that Harbor Freight DC, it's now $159.99
                    ITEM 45378-5VGA

                    WAS $229.99
                    NOW $159.99

                    Or has it been at that price for some time, and I just wasn't aware of it.
                    Last edited by Bob D.; 02-03-2006, 10:08 PM.
                    "When we build let us think we build forever. Let it not be for present delight nor for present use alone. Let it be such work that our descendants will thank us for, and let us think, as we lay stone upon stone, that a time is to come when these stones will be held sacred because our hands have touched them, and that men will say, as they look upon the labor and wrought substance of them, "See! This our fathers did for us."
                    John Ruskin (1819 - 1900)

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                    • #40
                      At least a few...

                      Several days now. I picked one up a couple of days ago.
                      But thanks for letting us know.
                      Yoroshiku onegai shimasu

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                      • #41
                        Yeah, even better deal if you got one of those 20% off coupons in an email this week to apply towards that as well. I was going to go tonight and missed the boat because of that darn job and worked too late. Coupon expired today....

                        Oh well. I may still check one out this weekend......

                        WWS
                        Still enjoying all 10 fingers!

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                        • #42
                          No Fair!

                          HEY!!! I didn't get any ding dang coupon!!
                          That would have been awesome!
                          I guess it was better not to have gotten it, then to have it in my hand and not be able to use it because i'm stuck at work.
                          Yoroshiku onegai shimasu

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                          • #43
                            nobunaga-sama

                            Here is the sketch.

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                            The theory is the X10 wall plug module w/ antenna plugs into a normal 110 volt wall plug.


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                            This unit has a receptacle that has power applied to it when you activate the remote control keychain module.


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                            110 volts are then applied to a step down transformer which puts out 24 volts ac


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                            to the coil side of the 24 volt relay


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                            which closes contacts rated for the amps your DC draws, probably 20 at 110v ac. You will run wiring from a circuit capable of handling the current requirements of your DC to the load side of the relay.

                            You may run across a relay that will accept 110 volts on the coil side and has contacts rated for your load, eliminating the need for the step down transformer. Then simply connect the 110 from the wall plug module directly to the coil inputs of the relay.

                            These relays have two connections to which you will connect your DC wiring, one is nc (normally closed) which means when no power is applied to the coil side, these contacts are closed. You do not want that input for this application. The other is no (normally open) which is the input you wish to attach your DC hot wire(s) to. If you switch 110 volts, you only need one contact or “pole” (as in spdt (single pole double throw). If you are switching 220 you will need a dpdt (double pole double throw) relay.

                            Hope this helps, give a shout if this is not clear.

                            Bob D. - thanks for the input.

                            Jerry
                            Last edited by steelewoodworker; 02-06-2006, 11:23 AM.
                            It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenious.

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                            • #44
                              Clear as mud...

                              Thanks Steelwoodworker!
                              I'll get with my father-in-law on this. He can help me with the details.
                              Yoroshiku onegai shimasu

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                              • #45
                                ELECTRICIANS Correct me if I am wrong

                                I sent an e-mail to Griz Tech services asking about DC's and remotes. This is their response.

                                "We appreciate your interest in our products. The G1028Z Dust Collector draws roughly 18 running amps at 110V. We recommend the G4699 110V Remote Control with the G1028Z. I hope this will be of some assistance"


                                So my theory is if this remote will work with a DC that draws 18 running amps at 110 volts, won't it work with a DC that draws 14 running amps at 110 volts (nobunaga-samas' HFDC for example)? Of course it will! Even if the 14 amp DC claims 2 HP. Right?


                                If you go to the G4699 web page it says good up to 3 HP, but I am sure they are referring to the 220 v model for that.
                                Last edited by Lorax; 02-06-2006, 10:19 AM.
                                Lorax
                                "Did you put the yellow key in the switch?" TOD 01/09/06

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