I'm quickly finding out here..it's a matter of where you live, and how the Plumbing code is interpreted and state laws.
If we hire out to be a Plumber in all 50 states..the law says we have to be licensed. Drain Techs or any other profession should NOT be excluded from this law, because you are touching something Plumbing related. If we are forced to have a license..so should everyone else.
Having a Plumbing license means you understand Plumbing theory,code's, and laws.
You may think is excessive to have a license for Drain cleaning, but there are code violations that can cause a drain to be slow or not function properly. A person would only know that, by going to school and learning Plumbing theory.
Drain cleaners also do Plumbing related things..as any Plumber would do. If you break a trap under a sink..you are not going to call a Plumber out to fix it, you're going to fix it yourself.
People fail to realize that Plumber's protect the health of the nation against disease. Drain related issues such as broken traps being installed back properly fall into this category. I guarantee you it's in every Plumbing code book across the Nation.
Just like if you break a sewer line with your cable, and have to replace that section. You have to have the proper pitch, cause you can't have the liquids passing the solids.
Knowing theory also teaches you when a line is over sized or undersized. If something is over-sized, you are not washing the walls down inside the pipe...if it's undersized, it's taking too long to drain.
All of this falls into stuff that Drain mechanics come across...and that's why they should be required by law to have a License.
How you could agree with Drain tech boggles my mind...I'm sorry.
Step back for a second..and put yourself in a Plumber's shoes...you would agree.
Last edited by Ozone89; 08-11-2007 at 02:10 PM.
Typically drain cleaning companies are maintenance companies and do not have to be licensed plumbers in many jurisdictions. However, they are also very limited in what they are permitted to do as it is assumed their knowledge is also limited. Most of the jurisdictions I work with put a monetary limit on the value of any work done by a non-licensed Contractor. That limit is cumulative so it cuts out most repeat business. For example if the limit for a non-licensed Contractor in a jurisdiction is $500 that is the maximum you can charge a single customer in your lifetime.
While drain cleaning companies do not need to be licensed plumbers I believe it would be prudent for the owner of any drain cleaning business to be licensed. That does not take away from the ability of the non-licensed drain cleaner it simple increases their ability to earn money as a drain cleaner.
"Somewhere a Village is Missing Twelve Idiots!" - Casey Anthony
I never lost a cent on the jobs I didn't get!
I wish more plumbers cared about what they do like ozone89 does. I've had countless jobs where a plumber would try to run a mainline with his "one size fits all" type of snake. I then goto his job with seweage backed into the bathtub and toilet. Oviously this is anything but sanitary.
[quote=mrs. westcoast;88211]Exactly Rick,
This is the first one i agree with you.
zeljka, 2532+ posts and this is the first one you agree with me on
i hope i can do better than that
i think robert might be at 2 posts with me. that makes robert agree with me 50% more than you agree with me i guess if i look at it this way, it's not too bad
i'll try harder and maybe ease up your standards a little bit.
i like charlie how's that? #2
IMO..you can't have it both ways, cause the State is setting 2 different sets of rules, and to be honest I classify that as discrimination.
If taken to task, I'd be willing to bet the State would lose in a court of law. Obviously it would have to go to the Supreme Court.
I just don't think it's fair that Drain cleaning companies get excluded in certain area's around the country. If I was a Master Plumber in these area's..I'd be pretty ticked off.
By all means I don't want to make it sound like I'm attacking drain cleaning companies. But I wasn't really aware that many drain cleaning companies weren't licensed. I always assumed someone in that company had a Licensed Plumber..and their employees were working under that license.
Mark..I agree with you though..drain companies should want to be licensed.
I care now, cause my business future and other legit Plumbers futures are in serious jeopardy, if we don't get a handle on this. The State of Pennsylvania doesn't care about Plumbing or Plumbers.
The State of Pennsylvania should look right next door to New Jersey..they know how to follow codes and laws. It was always said to me, that New Jersey is one of the toughest state's to get a Master Plumbing license.
What I do not understand is how drain companies think they do not have to be licensed. THe IPC states that you cannot move, alter, change, repair etc.. any plumbing. This means you cannot pull a toilet, cut out a section of pipe, offer to replace a sewer line or install anything. Why would any person not want to get a license and complete their company. I really hope you guys who operate with no license tell your customers up front that you lack this achievement. Take pride in yourself and in your work and get qaulified.
The plumbing industy in generl is in trouble. I know here in GA that the aaverage age of a master plumber is 58. We are having problems finding descent help and there are few guys etiing into the trade. IS it this way in the northern states?
"Take pride in yourself and in your work and get qualified".
I take GREAT offense to this statement. Are you implying that because I don't have papers I don't have any pride in myself and my work? If so you are sadly mistaken.
A piece of paper is just that, a piece of paper. It has nothing at all to do with my pride or the quality of my work.
And to those that feel ONLY a licensed plumber should ever touch a pipe:
Do you also feel that a nurse should also have the same papers as a DR because they share some of the same duties? Do you feel a lawyer should have the same qualification's of a judge in order to practice law?
Do you call the roofer and have them cut the roof before you install a vent?
Do you call the concrete contractor and have them jack hammer and replace the cement when replacing a pipe in a basement? etc. etc. etc...