A buddy of mine I send drain cleaning calls to does the same; he cuts the ends off and does a 2 bend trick.
Works good and it makes a lot of racket since it's scouring the pipe heavily but I would say that it's effective.
I myself never had to do that, still running with the same cable I bought the machine with, 3/8" with attachments up to 2" and I've never been in a situation to bend or kink it while cabling.
Works awesome for top-down the vent on a laundry tub where they transitioned to cast above or underground. Guaranteed clog eventually.
I'm assuming you can't do this trick on 1/4"?
I tried that once in a bad situation (cable kinked bad, had to cut it and tried bending it enough to get through the piping) and busted a fitting. Not a big deal but I hated the fact it happened; open hook would of prevented that.
I figured I could heat that end of the cable and make my own open hook but scared that where I heat it...it will snap off.
I too use a Spartan model 100 with the bulb cut off and a bend on the end. It works great and in my opinion it is more effective than running blades.
I agree with the assesment that the latex gloves aided in the retreival of the screwdriver but I most certainly DO NOT agree that real drain cleaners use heads.
No one can say that a method is ineffective if it the end results are the same. If you open a drain with blades and I open the same drain with a bent cable what does it matter? I know for a fact that more people are using no blades and achieving just as good, if not better results that way. Besides, who wants to have to worry about changing blades all of the time anyway?
tell you what, you do it your way and i'll do it the right way. a cable with no cutter head is just punching a hole in the stoppage. a cutter is displacing the built up debris.
sure a bent cable is easier to operate, since your not cleaning/ scraping and therefore have very little resistance.
why not try without a blade and camera the line to see the results. then run the blades and re camera the line. i know for a fact the line will be much cleaner.
sure you might have cleared the stoppage, but i clean the line. a big difference between the 2.
right or wrong?
by the way welcome to the forum. don't let me scare you, but i like the debates. it's how we all learn better ways and tricks
Rick, I would agree that a cutter would clean a pipe better if the cable went in straight and only the cutter was coming in contact with the pipe. In residential drains 2" and less, having a head makes no difference. The cable scourers the pipe. Having said that, I always use a drop head on the smaller snakes because of ease in getting through 90's and such.
Now if we are talking urinal drain lines, or restaurant, deli, drain lines I use a head. No job is ever the same and each requires discernment.
On 3" pipe or larger I use a head. Most of the time guys will under size the head anyway, for fear of getting hung up.
Good job on the retrieval W.C. and thanks for posting pics. It always makes it more interesting.
Anyone can tear a man down, few can build one up.
Rick, Thanks for the welcome.
I tell you what, I am attending the Pumper/Cleaner show at the end of the month, but when I return I will put both methods to the test. I will do so while recording it with my inspection camera. I will place a link to the video here on the forum. Maybe this will help us all to better understand the differances between blades and no blades.
Don't get me wrong. I do like to debate as well, but it needs to be done in a way that moves us forward in discussion so we have a chance to learn. I plan to be as active as possible here and look forward to learning from some of the experiances everyone has faced.
I am a fairly new business owner of a sewer and drain cleaning company in the second fastest growing county in the US. I am glad to have found this site as I am always looking for new processes and technology to improve the level of service I provide for my customers.
Welcome to the forum Jake.
Lots of experience here with these guys.The most I've seen on any other plumbing forum.Nice people too.
Hang out for a while,they would love to give any answers you may have questions about regarding drain cleaning and the business.
Don't believe anything Drain Medic says
Jake, Welcome to the forum. Make sure you stop by the RIDGID booth and ask for Josh when you are at the pumper show. I am the 6'6" guy. Slim build.
Also.. I believe we all settled on thursday night for having dinner. There will be a handful of forum members there as well and we are planning to go out for dinner the first night. You are more than welcome to come along.
also make sure you tell them that you want the 50% off discount for all forum members
jake, looking forward to your participation and your video link. i think you will be surprised. also make sure to run some water to flush out the gunk so we get to see the real results.
now while your at the show, take advantage of the 50% discount and pick up a k-60 and plenty of cutters for your machine
josh, just put it on my employee charge card