Q1: No, no meaning or ranking is associated with union local numbers.
Q2: They were assigned as the individual unions joined the UA International or for those local unions which existed and comprised the initial collective of locals that became the UA in 1889. In some areas of the country locals within a state or region had banded together to form associations, some based on their speciality weithin the trade such as Gas Fitters, Steam Fitters, or Plumbers. Many local union numbers were probably (I don't know for sure) assigned based on each unions ranking by number of members at the time, but today that number has no relation to the size (number of working members) of the individual local.
In the UA, Local #1 is the Plumbers Local of NYC. In the IBEW, local #1 is in St. Louis, MO.
Their web site says;
The New York City Journeyman Plumbers Society,
started in 1854, was a predecessor of Local 1,
and just before the first Labor Day Parade in 1882,
they became known as:Local Assembly 1992 of the Knights of Labor.
The UA didn't exist as an international union in 1882. I believe it was 1889 that the first convention was held to form the UA.
Local Union numbers are not consecutive because along the way some unions were taken in by others or mergers of two or more unions resulted in either one of the existing LU numbers being used or a completely new LU number being created. I saw the latter happen recently in
NJ where 3 IBEW locals were merged into one. They took one digit from each of the three locals to create the new LU number.
Currently there are 13 different trade unions that make up the BCTD (Building & Construction Trades Department) of the AFL-CIO. The UBC (Carpenters) dropped out of the AFL a few years ago so are currently not part of the BCTD.
I kind of understand Unions within large corporations bordering on monopolies.
But what is there purpose and why have unions developed in plumbing in some areas?
I've just never seen a place where free market private plumbing companies couldn't do the same things while being fair to employess.
Give me some edumacation.
If all the contractors in an area collectively decide that they are not going to pay more than X dollars for a plumber who works for them isn't that an association with an intent to fix wages? If they do this and keep the wages low how does the employee benefit? To get enough money to feed his family and provide for their needs should he/she have to move to another area out from under their influence/wage fixing? In a NU world how would the plumbers (who are not self-employed) deal with this? Individually? Based on their own skills and merit you'd think they might stand a chance. If they got shot down for a raise what is their alternative? GO to one of the other shops and negotiate a higher wage, they might get it and they might not. If not then they are looking for work outside their home area, maybe end up moving and leaving friends and family behind.
I'm not saying that all union workers or union contractors are good here, that's a different issue all together to me.
I know of one NU (non-union) plumbing/mechanical company in may area who could not get decent help to man all his jobs. He ended up signing with the local plumbers union. A year later he said he wished he had done so years ago, he was pleased with the quality workmanship and productivity. He had always thought it would cost him to be a union shop, now he was finding out it was making even more money for one because of less repeat work or call backs.
I know of a GC who was the president of the regional ABC (association of non-union contractors) chapter. HE took his company union and also was glad he did. You would think that someone in his position as Pres. of the regional ABC would be hard set against unions. So what's the story on why he went union I don't know the details.
Who/What is the ABC? It's not a TV station that's for sure.
From their website:
"In response to the Baltimore Building and Construction Trades Departmentís efforts to limit construction to union-only contractors, seven local general and subcontractors met in the home of Charles Mullan on May 1, 1950 to establish Associated Builders and Contractors of Baltimore. "
out here, all job sites are open to non union and union---non union usually can bid and win jobs with lower cost---not many union only jobs--matter oif fact--havent seen a bid sheet that said union only in years---if the union guys want to work, they have to work with the non union---if they walked off a job b/c there was a non union contractor, another non union contractor would take the job cheaper--i have no problem with unions, i think they have lost a lot of power and i have no desire to be involved--im happy with my benefits and pay and i have job security----if they depend on union only jobs, they would be missing a lot of work
How ironic...a non-union, union!
starting off in the union in 1981, i can tell you that the training and schooling is far superior to anything that even a full time 2 year college trade school can offer.
i went 2 times a week 3 hours each night, for 4 years. miss more than 2 nights in a semester and you fail. no raise and have to retake the entire course. no excuses:sad:
now it's 5 years.
i highly doubt that the non union facilities would come close to the school facilities we had.
between the welding shop, soldering shops and service and repair speciality classroom. along with the 25 or so other classrooms.
the facility was built by union trades and every union member contributes into it's operation. the instructors are a combination of journeymen plumbers with state certifications and city inspectors.
as far as manning the large jobs. we were one of the only union shops that were able to compete with the non union shops in the housing market. we also did hi end hotels, offices and large scale apartments and condos and townhomes. anywhere from 10 units to 1685 units.
no single family homes.
those days are gone and shops like ours are far and few between out here.
"those days are gone and shops like ours are far and few between out here. "
But not everywhere.