One code wont work since each area has different circumstances. For example I do not think people that live down south want to dig 60" deep to lay a water service.
I will give Mobile Alabama a call in the morning to see if they approve a fitting to be glued into a pipe. Like I said lots of things in plumbing have agency approvals but lots of states, townships and municipal codes may not allow it. I honestly believe the UPS and ASTM ratings are for using the fitting socket and gluing on the outside of the pipe, not the inside. The end all of this debate would be proof, like ToUtahNow posted for me about the P-trap that I felt would not meet any code.
I can not see the inside of a pipe being approved to accept a fitting. As many others pointed out, the ASTM ratings on the pipe are for the uniformity of the outside of the pipe. You can see the difference of the outside of the pipe vs the inside. The inside is no where smooth or perfect.
Galvy or black iron for gas
I can build anything You want , if you draw a picture of it , on the back of a big enough check .
Man some of you guys are married to the Plumbing code. Do you guys also follow the speed limits in your area as well? Because speeding IS AGAINST THE LAW. You're endangering your life and the welfare of others.
With that said..I understand why the code doesn't you gluing flanges into pipe. But how many of you guys use wax seals with horns on them? Kind of like the same thing..isn't it? You're reducing the size of the opening by using a wax horn, and they are not illegal to use.
In your example, no, people in warmer climates would not want to dig 60" for a water service and there would be no need to do so.
The code could state that "Water services must be X below the areas frost line". A table could be included. Map maybe.
I hear guys at the supply houses complaining about doing plumbing in some towns due to the inspector being a hard *** on the codes. I always ask them why not just do the stuff to code, and not give him any reason to be a hard ***. I have done plenty of work in these towns and the inspector never gave me a hard time.
As to the wax seal. I don't use them I am a putty man. But when I did use wax, never used the ones with horns.
No offense to you or anyone else, but I simply don't believe that any Plumber here hasn't went against the code to get them out of a jam. I'm not talking about blatant violations in where the health of the customer is at risk. Code says I should caulk toilets down to hardwood floors...and I don't..am I a hack?
I respect the Plumbing code and follow it to the best of my ability, but I'm not married to it.
Last edited by Flux; 01-07-2011 at 01:10 AM.
Hey flux I wonder how much pressure a closet flange could hold before it blew OUT of the pipe or the joint failed?