Almost all I use now are the setfast bolts. I like anything that saves me a little time when not compromising quality, it all adds up.
If you can cut 5/16 bolts, re-tighten after cutting, and clean your shavings in 15 seconds then don't even bother trying them. :scratchhead:
One note on the setfast bolts, they don't fit alot of cast iron flanges as the solid brass heads are quite fat.
I could never understand cutting toilet bolts. From the time I started plumbing I thought why not make the caps taller? I'm not complaining to much but what a pain on removal. You guys should understand I started plumbing a little older than most. I worked for a factory that constant improvement was the norm. The owner did not settle for the old saying "thats how we did it for a hundred years." So I look at stuff in plumbing and think why hasn't this been improved.
I'm going to start buying the tall caps...I've never liked the cutting of bolts.
having personally installed somewhere in the 10,000 range of toilets, cutting 1/4'' brass bolts was second nature. we use to race to see how fast a properly installed toilet could be set, tested and caulked. when you think about it, it's basically 2 -1/4'' closet bolts, a wax, and 2- 5/16'' tank bolts along with a feed line. as the toilets filling, we would cut the 1/4'' bolts to size and snap on the plastic caps. then test flush a couple times and as it's filling we would caulk the toilet to the floor. all under 5 minutes.
of course we didn't install the seat at this time so that the other trades wouldn't trash them. nor did we take into account distributing the toilets as we would spend the morning carrying them upstairs and be ready to install them in when they were already distributed.
15 years of new construction, made for a repetitive task. cast iron sinks were still a 1 man job up the stairs and so were water heaters. 6'' no hub was still a 1 man job carrying it up stairs too:eek:
and we were a union shop that easily competed against the non union shops. not around anymore, but some of my buddies still are from the day i started new construction 1981.
that was then. today i rarely see new installations without first having to remove and clean an old toilet installation.
never used 5/16'' closet bolts and never had 1/4'' brass bolts shear off.