I've used the Fernco a couple times and I just didn't like it. On one occasion I enthusiastically used it when I did a bath remodel and knew I was going to pull the toilet a couple times. I soon found out that I had to lay the toilet on its side due to that fog horn on the bottom.:banghead:
Foam rings are ok. I have all sizes on the truck I just don't trust them yet. Either the toilet sets too high or too low. I don't know.
I don't know one plumber who uses plumbers putty for a toilet seal. That's some old school stuff there.:turtle:
The foam gaskets are great for concrete floors. The heat and cold destroys the bees wax .(expansion and contraction) I pull so many water cloests in Florida that no longer have a seal and the plumber did not set the water closet center on the closet bend and flange. The foam allows a complete seal around offset flanges.
I see tons of foam gaskets and installed quite a few. They are just as good or bad as wax. I have no trouble with them other than not having the right size when I need it. Now it's all wax but I use foam if I have it. especially if the toilet needs to get pulled. It is nice the way they hold the bolts straight up
i really don't see the problem. believe it or not;) i've set somewhere in the 10,000 range of toilets during my years of new construction. give or take a couple:D if the toilet flange is ruffed in correctly and you have a decent level floor, there is no reason for a leak.
i shim the toilet if the floor is off, i properly caulk a toilet to seal it down and keep it from moving, and i properly tighten the 1/4'' brass bolts that i've secured to the flange. i'm still waiting for a phone call that a toilet wax is leaking that i've installed. i should know as all the jobs had a 1 year warranty and a 10 year window.
the biggest issue i see are when handymen and floor installers think they know how to install a toilet. especially when the flange is 2'' below the floor:eek:
the old school putty i come across on old, old installation. i've seen where the horn literally broke off inside the pipe as the putty hardened like concrete.
wax might not be the best product we have, but it's been around for more years than all of us.
i carry a variety of bowl waxes and it's not uncommon for me to double them up. i also use the plastic horn to line up a wax ring. typically every toilet is a 4'' ring, unless a hack ruffed in a 3'' bend. i see very few 3'' flanges, less than 5% of all service work and 0% of all new work.
i'm waiting for the toto style rubber seals to leak with a main line stoppage. sure nice and clean to install, but what's the life span of a flexible seal on a toilet horn?
Shims and caulk are the key, if it don't wobble, it don't leak;)
That is crazy plumbers using putty that is outlawed out here for the seal to the flange you can use it along the base of the bowl. I have installed about 10 of the fluidmaster waxless type however lately I have had problems too many closet flanges installed on top of tees so i've been back to wax , wax with horn,and stacking rings ect. all you need is a good putty knife and rags I mean we are plumbers right a little wax never hurt :rolleyes:
I worked on a project where the floor guys installed the Fluidmaster bowl wax improperly after installing $50,000 in flooring. Two years later the entire floor needed to be replaced as the floor pattern was no longer available as a repair material.