However, the repairability of the system is decreased and therefore, in my opinion, inferior as a total system.
And no, the rest is not in my head.
I can tell you that laying on my back at 2:30 in the morning with it 20 degrees outside repairing copper water pipes under houses in the garden disctrict of new orleans after working round the clock in 20 somthing hour shifts.....No I could give a F less about a wiped solder joint and neither did the people who lived in the houses....they wanted water. freeze leaks for weeks.
Did you buy your logic at big lots? Wages have been dropping on new construction plumbers every single time a cheaper faster quicker product has entered the market. It hasn't been more because there's less skill that associates with the simplicity of the piping systems involving water distribution systems.
Customer wants a product that stands the test of time, and this thread proves that your water line has holes in it. Does it not? That pipe doesn't even look 3 years old. I bet that wouldn't of happened with metallic piping.
The art, which I believe in and you don't, is the joining or fabricating of piping systems that take multiple steps, which copper is known for and has stumped the majority in how to properly do over the last 30-60 years.
I don't care if you know how to solder or crimp a hose clamp and call it a water line.
I care about my profession, not about the cheap lazy mans pipe you run and profit from. It lays on your conscious, not mine.
I've walked through the shadows of polybutylene, Bluemax, Kitec, Quest and a few others with short lifes to believe you and anyone else hopping the fast and easy bandwagon is your problem, not mine.
I'll be the one who profits from the mistakes that keep being made, trusting these systems not holding up to the test of time. First picture of the thread. A brand new pipe that didn't last.
It's not the fault of copper that your local water purveyors are juicing the water to self destroy the water lines you now replace.
I don't have to be on any proving grounds when I put good products in my hands.
I've got you on the defensive now, and you're holding a roll of pipe that's known for unskilled workmanship.
Dunbar Plumbing does not perform work practices such as these and will refuse any work relating to the idea.
We're just that damn good and my customers trust my background knowledge, knowing the other plastic water line systems have been constantly failing over the years.
But threads like these are great, and subpoenas and the information highway allows the brisk hands of a lawyer to seek and find and legally summon anyone to court that has used any products that have later turned out to be defective.
When that time comes for PEX, the wide world of the internet will definitely know one plumber in Kentucky didn't buy the bullshit of the "fast and easy, all I wanna make is money" attitude.
That's just how I roll...
I don't know, I'm down over $400,000 from what I billed in 2008 and I'm still here. Remember PEX was not legal in California until just recently so it will take a while for people to get use to it.
When flex supplies first came out I would not let my guys use them. When we did repipes we did not use compression stops because I wanted brass drop ears, brass nipples and stops. I'm sure I lost some jobs because of it but at the same time I got some jobs because I told them I was using a better material. I've never let the customer dictate the quality of my work.
FFS dude, it's Rehau,
you've been using the pipe over 10 years and can't F-ing spell it? It's striped on the pipe over the 1000's of feet you've had your hands on.
You're statement basicially states,
"I SOLD OUT" "I WANT TO WORK, I'M FOLLOWING THE HERD, AND I SOLD OUT TO KEEP THE MONEY COMING IN."
Nothing forced my hand when Polybutylene and Blue Max came around. It was product choice, I chose no because I got a pair between my legs in this plumbing profession.
I adapt to my situation. I use the best material for the price my customer can or wants to afford. Its all done to current codes. One day if you get off the high horse you could make some money in plumbing and forget the bench and fan business.
I make a good living from plumbing and jsut think I dont even have a website or a youtube video...who would have figured that possible? I spend 150.00 a month for an ad in the yellow pages.........I must be doing somthing right wouldn't you say? But I forgot who I'm talking to...the marketing guru himself.
Okay everyone, let's take it down a notch. It is okay to disagree, it is not okay to be disrespectful.
You have never installed a POS faucet for a customer who wanted it? If you have then they are dictating the job.
Most commercial jobs the materials are spec'd out and you dont have a choice....what if you dont agree about a portion of it....do you pull out of the bid because you dont like they wanted 20 ga p traps instead of 17?