On the 3650 legs and braces all the bolt holes are recessed because of the bevel on the legs. This gives very little surface area contact between the legs and the braces (front and side). The bolts can be tight but the surface area is just not there like two flat pieces of metal (read 3612). A thick washer between the leg and brace area at each bolt will make the stand strong like bull. Hey, the engineers probably stopped and took a donut break in the middle of this stronger beveled leg discussion and upon returning to the meeting went on to more important things like TEFC motor supplier.
Why is it that common sense is the least common of the senses? :rolleyes:
I can sleeep now! Thank you for the observation. This has been a main complaint of mine and tech support has not had an answer. Could you tell me what size and thickness you used?
Interesting side light---when Emerson was building their saws for Sears, they also had the worst leg design----legs would twist at the slightest pressure-----they fixed this problem by adding stretchers----sadly, OWT didn't follow through---too bad you have to modify a new tool, but sounds like a good fix.
I thought I would post the parts I used as to help someone not to have to go to the hardwarestore 3 times as I did in getting the right sizes.
*8 @3/4" flat washers for front/rear brace
*8 @5/16" fender washers " " "
*4 @7/8" flat washers for side braces
*4 @5/16 fender washers " " "
Place the flat washers between the leg and the brace and the fender washer between the nut and the brace.
I had some of the carrage bolts strip, they are not good quality so I changed the bolts and used nylock nuts too. It does not flex now. I also placed washers under the lift and under the bolt heads on the corner mounts at the base of the leg. I think the additive effect of the support of the washers distributing the load over a wider surface area on the thin metal causes the stand to be stiffer. I think the saw mount may need some additional support to the legs. I have not done that yet.
does not sound like quality to me...have been trying to decide whether or not to get the 3650...wanted the 3612 but home depot screwed that up by not ordering in time...did finally get to see the 3650 set up, one question is the removal of the blade guard...looks like about 3 bolts just to take it off to use a dado blade! also, does it come with a dado insert? "Inquiring minds want to know!" LOL
Assuming the guard mount design hasn't changed (and I'd be surprised if it did), you need to look a little further down inside the machine.
The piece that those 3 bolts attach to are attached with a single thumbscrew, and that's how the guard/splitter is removed. Again, unless they've changed it.
No idea on the dado insert.
The dado insert did not come as std. equipment with the 3612. The RIDGID website doesn't say either way on the 3650.
It has not changed, the blade guard comes off with one thumb screw.
I just assembled my 3650 and I do not think the legs are that bad. Although, I have not climbed on it or tried to twist with it. I have made some sawdust with it.
The real test would be if you added a router table on the side, as to leg strength----it certainly is fixable----just a case of whether you should have to. Lack of dado insert----someone missed the boat---hopefully they will correct the oversight.
I agree with you completely- the stability of the saw is completely adequate! So what if it flexes when you twist it really hard? So what if they cut cost on the stretchers? Their engineers decided that if they were going to give the customer 2 SOLID CAST wings, a TEFC motor, a sweet blade shroud dust collector, and T-slots, while maintaining the cost and the rest of the features, something had to go. So they removed stretchers that weren't really needed in the first place and hooked us up with a really sweet saw. I'm psyched about mine and can't help but think that people who have problems with the 3650 are just being grumpy and maybe a bit jealous. [img]tongue.gif[/img]
The blade guard comes off in 2 seconds- easily the fastest on the market and a great safety feature! No excuses for safe operation! I'm sure other Ridgid owners that have this feature will agree how nice it is.
The fact that they didn't supply a dado insert is no big deal, although it should be available as an accessory from Ridgid, since other companies don't seem to cater to Ridgid with these types of items. On the plus side- you now have a chance to make one! I'm shocked at how many jigs and accessories are purchased by woodworkers that they could/should make for pennies themselves! The Rockler catalogue is filled with these types of items and I ask myself, if someone can't make an extension table for their saw, how do they stand ANY chance at building furniture???? Yeah, this is a bit of a rant, but I just get frustrated sometimes. :D :D