How are you going to tell a homeowner that they do not have the right to work on their own home? Are they too stupid for their own good and do not deserve the right to buy parts? A general contractor cannot buy an angle stop or a wire nut, a plumber cannot buy a box of 16D nail gun nails, an electrician cannot buy a box of 3" grabber screws? That kind of statement is that? Sounds like some of you guys need to move to Russia where all of your dreams can come true.
A more appropriate answer; spend more money educating consumers on the risks and dangers of using unlicensed contractors, and spend more money enforcing existing rules against unlicensed contracting.
Here is a question I have. I recently passed my test for my B license (general contractor) I did studied the weekend crash course material, and read the actual book that was written for the State of California regarding contractors law. My question: For California, I know there are provisions for doing stuff outside of your trade providing it is coincidental and necessary to the work you are licensed to perform. A general can bid on framing, bid on stuff he is not licensed to do providing he hires a subcontractor, and do work that comes in the course of doing his job, like paint, drywall, flooring, etc. I have heard that you are not supposed to do any electrical work at all unless you are a C10, journeyman, apprentice, or enrolled/passed the certification school for electricians, but am unaware of any sort of restrictions on who can doing plumbing. In CA we have a $500 small work exemption where any idiot can do just about anything providing the agregate price of the labor and materials do not exceed $500. Alot can be said for somebody who is properly educated on sizing water, gas and waste, but in my experience, not much emphasis is made on making sure whoever is doing plumbing is legit.
It is a gray area on what a general can and cannot get away with. I know he cannot bid specific jobs where he is doing only electrical or plumbing, that is a no-no, but he can do electrical and plumbing during the course of his job. I am confused. Where does a General Contractors "General scope of work" end?
"It is a gray area on what a general can and cannot get away with. I know he cannot bid specific jobs where he is doing only electrical or plumbing, that is a no-no, but he can do electrical and plumbing during the course of his job. I am confused. Where does a General Contractors "General scope of work" end?"
You said you just took classes and passed your test and you're asking if you can do plumbing and electrical?
I remember years ago when the County decided it was high time they licensed Well Drillers and Pump Installers. Some of the Drillers in my area thought it was a great idea. One Driller said that Licensing would get rid of all the scabs out there doing it on weekends and stealing all the licensed Drillers work. So they passed the law, we all got licensed and the scabs didn't go away. Truth be told, there are more now than ever before. The licensed guys are under the thumb of the Govt while the scabs just go merrily along. Try turning in an unlicensed person and see how quick the powers to be get on the job. They could care less. It's just a paycheck to them. That and the fact that the County has very little power to do anything to unlicensed people.
" In CA we have a $500 small work exemption where any idiot can do just about anything providing the agregate price of the labor and materials do not exceed $500. Alot can be said for somebody who is properly educated on sizing water, gas and waste, but in my experience, not much emphasis is made on making sure whoever is doing plumbing is legit."
MasterBeavis I lived and owned a plumbing company in Ca. for many years and carried a c36, and you're right, not much is done to unlicensed hacks in California so don't worry about it, carry on.
Hey what happened to all those plumbing job pictures you had on your Photobucket page the other day? They seem to be gone? Have a great weekend, IT'S FRIDAY ! :party-on:
Speedbump, though sad, your words have a ring of truth to them. It was recently explained to us by the chief plumbing inspector in this wonderful state, that indeed, since non licensed hacks are not controlled by the plumbers board; the plumbing board has no jurisdiction over them.
However, the town or city inspector does and can bring lawful action against them. Now the question would be "how many local and city inspectors are bothering to go after these guys" I personally know of one but I suspect he has very little company. But hey, this is but one issue in the constant battle to bring back cholera and diphtheria to the populous being waged by hacks and homeowners with financial backing from Home Depot and spiritual backing from This Old House. Gee wiz, thanks Norm and Tommy.
And yes on some stuff, a homeowner is too "ignorant" to work on their own home. Are you kidding me? How safe would you feel if your neighbor, was running CSST in his house. Just because his floor flooding doesn't affect you, his water heater exploding can affect you.
Defending home depot selling plumbing parts, is like defending hacks for doing side work. What business does ANYONE that isn't a plumber have buying plumbing parts?
If you have to be licensed to install it, you should have to be licensed to buy it. ANY trade. I don't see the problem with this.
Cut off their supply,and, tell me that wouldn't stop a mojority of it from happening. Homeowner joe fred watches this old house last weekend and says, hey that tankless is a good idea. Heads down to the local parts house to buy one. They card him. Guess who gets a call to install a tankless?
The hack! He calls a c-list plumber that says he can do it. After his run to the parts house and getting carded, guess who gets the call?
Be glad the government enforces this in other areas. And it works there. Trust me, I don't have a silenced 50 cal sniper rifle because of this... Or a full auto gun of any kind.
A few weeks ago, a homeowner pulled up to my truck while I was eating a breakfast sandwich, and asked me if I had a "7/8" long sweep 90" so he could hook up his line-set and I told him "No". He was ticked because Johnstone and RE Michels wouldn't sell him one. I did have one on my truck, but in the back of my mind, I was wondering what happen to the refrigerant in his old system. :rolleyesold:
Speedbump...you nailed it!
:rolleyesold:I'm sure it was properly recovered