I for one want them dismantled because I was told they are funding lobbyists to nationalize illegals to fill more unions.
It would be nice if the unions could work without them getting out of whack.
P.S. New Jersey governor jon corzine was responsible for losing over 168 million dollars of investors money when he was working in the private sector. He said he felt bad and would not accept his 12 million dollar severence pay. Another white collar hero
To Adam's point, I personally don't know a single Union member who agrees with the political views of their Union. However, the Union still spends hundreds of millions in Union dues to support their lobbyists and candidates.
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I never lost a cent on the jobs I didn't get!
Heres a great clip showing the union in action
I sympathize with that business owner's plight. He is dealing with Union bullies! The video above demonstrates the confusion of the professional politician. I wonder if anyone who feels bad for that business owner and how he is being wronged, would feel bad for working folks who are forced to strike because they are losing income to a big, wealthy business? I didn't think so. If your heart only goes out for the business owner and not for the actual worker, then it's clear to me you are not worth the effort. I lost many months of pay when New York Tel, aka, Bell Atlantic, aka, NYNEX, aka, Verizon, decided it would not negotiate in good faith and brought in scabs. No compassion or sympathy for the working man here, I get it. Yes, there are bad Union folks and if you have half a brain or are just a decent human being you would admit there are bad business owners. I for one am very glad Unions exist, although not perfect the alternatives are worse.
Don't blame corporations, blame their investors and wall street for the return they want on their money.
employees do not want to be part of a union, that is their choice and that should be that. Those
employees are Americans and they have a right to choose if they want to work union or not. If they
have no interest or it is put to them and they collectively vote no then that should be the end of it.
If the employees vote yes and the employer chooses to fight it its a different story, but the St. Louis
Paving incident does not sound like thats how it went down. Some here (from both sides) will disagree
with my views, that's your right, just as those empoyees have a right to choose. No one should be able
to force them into joining a union as it appears was being done in the St. Louis Paving incident.
Don't blame all unions for the bad taste you have for them because of public employee unions (including teachers unions).
From what I have seen there is a world of difference between a public employee union and say a building trades union such as the UA or the IBEW or IW, OE, you name it. For the building trades unions I know of, their benefits come out of whatever raise their contract gives then that year (if any). So for instance if they got a $1 raise any increase in the H&W contribution to cover the spiraling health care and prescription drug costs and maintain the same level of coverage they have now would come out of that dollar. If their Pension Fund was in need of more cash because of people like Madof and others who bilked everyone in this country well the money to cover the increased premium also comes out of that dollar. The costs to operate their training programs (which so many of you have proclaimed here time and again as top notch having benefited from it yourself and then left after receiving thousands of dollars worth of training to capitalize on that training on your own) goes up each year, that cost is born by the member and comes out of that dollar. The list goes on and many years there is only a fraction of that dollar left to go in their pocket to buy bread or gas or pay the mortgage with. The building trades H&W and pension systems work the way they do because in most cases they don't work for one employer long enough to get vested in a pension. Many Journeymen move from contractor to contractor, following the work. Some are lucky to get long term jobs and stay with a contractor for years. I know JM who have done both just as many on here do.
So my point is not all unions are the same. When a PEU (public employees union) member gets a 3% raise that's most times all going in their paycheck. The costs to maintain their H&W benefits is on top of that. But that is no different than the non-union employee (public or private) who gets a raise.
You want a level playing field? You want your tax dollars to go for equality? How about taking our Senators and Congressman OFF their Rolls Royce health & welfare plans and pension plans and bring their high and mighty butts back to earth wiht the rest of us! When they are back under our (the taxpayers) control, then things will start to change. As long as their raises and benefits are proposed and approved for and by themselves, they could care less what you or anyone else gets. You tax dollars should not be paying for them for the rest of their lives just because they did 8 years in DC. THAT'S TOTAL BULLCRAP!!
How often would you give yourself a raise or increase your benefits if you had the power to do so and could do it with someone elses money? Every chance you got is my bet.
Last edited by Bob D.; 11-06-2011 at 11:45 AM.
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